Quote: Frankie Rage @ 11th February 2017, 11:00 AM

...the ones identified as a threat by the previous administration.

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The Obama administration was shit...according to Trump and his followers. But if their past actions don't interfere with his personal agenda (in this case these are 7 countries he has no personal business deals going on with) then it's suddenly ok for him to use them as a basis for his exec order and most probably as an excuse if he's going to fail bigly.

Quote: zooo @ 11th February 2017, 11:11 AM

It's merely a coincidence that the Muslim countries not on the ban list are the only ones Trump has business with.
Also this...

(Surely everyone's already seen this? People on Twitter have probably seen all this stuff a hundred times, but maybe non Twitterers haven't, who knows.)

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Beat me to it.

In other news......this is one of the saddest and disturbing things I've seen in a while, but fantastic efforts are being made by conservationists and volunteers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-38942763

Quote: Gordon Bennett @ 11th February 2017, 11:27 AM

The Obama administration was shit...according to Trump and his followers. But if their past actions don't interfere with his personal agenda (in this case these are 7 countries he has no personal business deals going on with) then it's suddenly ok for him to use them as a basis for his exec order and most probably as an excuse if he's going to fail bigly.

Beat me to it.

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The list of 7 was where the next attack is likely to come from, i.e. prevention. Not going backwards to punish previous action. We will have to see what happens. At the moment no ban is in place. I think a new exec order may come soon, that's one option he has. I think that list of 7 can be seen as a trial run. Not the end.

Quote: Frankie Rage @ 11th February 2017, 12:26 AM

Well I knew that Zooo was a woman, have known that for a long time, and I was told you were about a week ago and I found out tonight that Fopdoodle is.

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I was on another forum a while back, mainly with only men posting, and it took them 3 years to rumble that I might not actually be packing the same junk in my trousers as them. I like to think this means I post fairly gender neutral views and don't throw girly tantrums which must be partly why it was oddly assumed I was a blerk. It was never intentional, but was interesting to know that all the replies I had over that length of time were based on assuming I was . . . and always wondered how different they might have been had they known I wasn't all along . . .

N.B. I am not at war with you or anyone. Not man or woman. I am not concerned about gender just quality of person.

Quote: zooo @ 11th February 2017, 11:11 AM

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Fake news. Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's factual. Off the top of my head, I remember that the Lockerbie plane bombing by a Libyan agent killed almost 200 Americans, and I recall Somali pirates killing a few as well. So the whole thing is a lie.

Quote: keewik @ 11th February 2017, 12:08 AM

You disagree with (and minimise) me, Fobdoodle and Zooo, the only 3 women who regularly post. I don't think you're even aware of how you're operating.

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Is he disagreeing with your gender or your political views? I think it's the latter.

Fair enough, if that's factual (and not just something else we're seeing on the internet).
Don't forget they also shot Doc. F**king Libyans.

To be fair though, when Trumpists are screeching FAKE NEWS after every single thing people say (whether clearly factual and already seen on tape by millions, or otherwise - like the image I posted in good faith may well be) the claim fake news starts to lose its credibility somewhat.

Maybe you could agree on a new phrase to use when it's actually fake.

Quote: zooo @ 11th February 2017, 1:59 PM

Fair enough, if that's factual (and not just something else we're seeing on the internet).

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It's definitely true:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/26/world/pan-am-flight-103-fast-facts/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10220279/Somali-pirates-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-killing-four-Americans.html

And another one I just remembered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_West_Berlin_discotheque_bombing

Quote: zooo @ 11th February 2017, 1:59 PM

To be fair though, when Trumpists are screeching FAKE NEWS after every single thing people say (whether clearly factual and already seen on tape by millions, or otherwise - like the image I posted in good faith may well be) the claim fake news starts to lose its credibility somewhat.

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If I remember correctly, it was Hillary's campaign which started the screeching about fake news. I suppose the Trump supporters are just throwing it back in their faces. The media have already been caught spreading anti-Trump fake news, but of course all they have to do is issue a retraction and claim it was a mistake.

Quote: DaButt @ 11th February 2017, 2:17 PM

The media have already been caught spreading anti-Trump fake news, but of course all they have to do is issue a retraction and claim it was a mistake.

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Does Trump or his team ever retract and apologise?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-38893253

Ideally there would be no lies on either side. But I know which side I think produces more bullshit.

There are various people keeping track of all the lies and false statements Trump himself spreads around.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/02/03/daniel-dales-donald-trump-fact-check-updates.html http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2016/09/27/why-does-donald-trump-lie-so-much/#12fbac706d24

And so on and so on.
You can search yourself for many more and decide whether they're all lying about his lies, or if perhaps they may have a point.

Quote: zooo @ 11th February 2017, 2:30 PM

Ideally there would be no lies on either side. But I know which side I think produces more bullshit.

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Having spent 8 years working in a newsroom, I'd disagree. I'd split it right down the middle if I had to guess.

I just remembered how Dan Rather (the most famous news presenter in the country) and CBS News tried to swing the 2004 election by offering up fake documents from Bush's Air National Guard service two months before the polls opened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy

It is an old control technique and one mastered by Putin - If you tell a lie often enough people will come to believe it

Quote: DaButt @ 11th February 2017, 2:43 PM

Having spent 8 years working in a newsroom, I'd disagree. I'd split it right down the middle if I had to guess.

I just remembered how Dan Rather (the most famous news presenter in the country) and CBS News tried to swing the 2004 election by offering up fake documents from Bush's Air National Guard service two months before the polls opened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy

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I don't remember that. But to be honest one of the biggest American politics news stories I can even remember before all this was Dan Quayle misspelling potato.

Simple times!

Bill Clinton and the cigar. Bush nearly choking on a pretzel(?) And Dan Quayle.
Those are the main scandals I can remember.

Quote: zooo @ 11th February 2017, 2:39 PM

You can search yourself for many more and decide whether they're all lying about his lies, or if perhaps they may have a point.

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The thing is, I've never said that Trump and his team haven't said some really stupid, untrue things. My entire point was that Trump didn't invent "fake news" and that the media has been complicit in spreading anti-Trump fake news of their own, while giving Democrat-uttered lies a pass most of the time. Democrat journalists outnumber Republicans 10 to 1, so while it's regrettable that their views influence their reporting, it's not exactly unexpected.

Quote: DaButt @ 11th February 2017, 2:56 PM

The thing is, I've never said that Trump and his team haven't said some really stupid, untrue things.

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Well, it's quite nice that we can all agree about SOMETHING.