Quote: Frankie Rage @ September 27, 2007, 4:10 PM

If you are accused of being a racist, it's sort of hard not to take it a bit personally!

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Take it with a smile and a pinch of salt! Only you can ever really know your true beliefs and opinions, let alone over the famously expressive (ahem) medium that is the Internet. I'll quite happily and freely admit to being what some would term as racist - but not maliciously so. I don't hate all "darkies" and think they should be lined up and shot or anything ridiculous. I don't think that I'm better than them (well, I am, but not because of their colour, race, etc ). Etc etc. I reserve the right, however, to crack the odd "racist" joke now and again, and to laugh at the same.

My OED tells me that racism is another word for racialism, and the defintion of that is..

Belief in the superiority of a particular race leading to prejudice and antagonism towards people of other races, especially those in close proximity who may be felt as a threat to one' cultural and racial integrity or economic wellbeing.

...So if that doesn't sound like it matches you, just take pity on those who think you are racist, safe in the knowledge that you are not.

Quote: Frankie Rage @ September 27, 2007, 4:10 PM

Sweeties: Have you got any of those flying-saucer ones?

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Yep. But they're all for me. *munch munch munch*

Quote: Godot Taxis @ September 27, 2007, 8:06 PM

You can hear about immigrants 'overwhelming' the resident population from your local BNP representative any day of the week.

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Sorry Godot, but that part of your argument is weaker than a supermodel. Whilst what a member of the BNP says may be racist, they are not one and the same. (Of course, one could get into a debate again here as to what racism is, but moving on.) Anyway, I am certain that pretty much every BNP member will at some point have said something along the lines of "I love roast chicken".

Does that make it racist because it's from the mouth of a BNP member? No.

Even more applicably, I've seen BNP policies which are shockingly common-sense and correct-thinking, with not a hint of racism anywhere in them. One in particular which springs to mind was the promise of taking care of soldiers and ex-soldiers, who have served to protect our society and freedoms, but have then just been left on the scrap heap. There was no mention nor suggestion of anything relating to race in that one.

In any case, the real issue is not so much of immigrants overwhelming the "resident population", but of the system. We do not have the infrastructure to cope with the ridiculously high numbers of people moving to the country at the moment. And that's not racist, it's just common sense.

Quote: Godot Taxis @ September 27, 2007, 8:06 PM

For Frankie rage

"If your Asylum Claim fails the first time, give it another go, it's easy!

England - the land of opportunity - if you can grab it fast enough before it's overwhelmed.

Help save the indigenous majority from extinction! "

These comments of yours are all racist and rely on racist assumptions for their effect. You can hear about immigrants 'overwhelming' the resident population from your local BNP representative any day of the week. The personification of immigrants as some sort of extinguishing mass, rather than individuals who are not related to each other and have no common purpose is a mainstay of right wing rabble rousing.

F.Rage would like to think that only I believe this. The reality is that any of the above comments would get you the sack from your job in the UK.

Not to mention his 'Turbanacious', which would probably be most expeditious.

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I still think Turbanacious is funny!

I will consider your points further and post a reply.

None of the above comments would get you the sack from an employer in the UK in the context in which I've presented them.

Well, not unless you were the boss, clearly!

I've got to admit that the use of the word Turbanacious made me wonder about you.
But I don't think you're racist (I also think that's one of the most extreme things you can throw at a person, and should not be used lightly.)
But then I don't really know you, or anyone else here. You could all be rampant members of the KKK for all I know.
Keep those sheets clean, guys.

Quote: zooo @ September 27, 2007, 8:36 PM

I've got to admit that the use of the word Turbanacious made me wonder about you.
But I don't think you're racist (I also think that's one of the most extreme things you can throw at a person, and should not be used lightly.)
But then I don't really know you, or anyone else here. You could all be rampant members of the KKK for all I know.
Keep those sheets clean, guys.

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It all depends on your definition of what racism is and what you consider a racist comment to be.

I do not practice racial prejudice.

If you're really good, you don't need practice.

God I'm funny...

I posted a version of this previously (*cough cough*), but I think that this clip sums up the reality of what many consider to be "racism" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9CSnlb-ymA

Quote: zooo @ September 27, 2007, 8:36 PM

Keep those sheets clean, guys.

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Leevil needs to take a lesson in that one, I'd guess.

Quote: zooo @ September 27, 2007, 8:41 PM

If you're really good, you don't need practice.

God I'm funny...

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Oh yay, puppets!
I remember seeing that bit on TV once. It's ace.

The question of 'non PC' jokes is an interesting one. Personally I think that comments on the immigration system aren't funny because they rely upon truth, and they're completely fallacious. If they do display humour then they make Richard Littlejohn a comic genius. However, Littlejohn is a racist for seperate reasons, and misguided (certainly to my mind) comments on apparent political policies are not necessarily voiced out of racism. It's more likely that they rise from widespread social attitudes and incorrect facts.

Don't care, as long as no one comes trampling over my cabbage patch dressed as a big ghost with a burning cross.

All seems vert daft this racism stuff.

I went to a church once and decided I'd save time on Sundays and ask the wall for answers to life instead whilst quoting passages from Lord of the rings. I suppose that slightly off to religious types. Oh well they'll be laughing when I'm burning in hell, I wont notice coz I'll be to busy decomposing.

Quote: zooo @ September 27, 2007, 8:43 PM

Oh yay, puppets!
I remember seeing that bit on TV once. It's ace.

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I wanna go see it again. That show rules.

Quote: Godot Taxis @ September 27, 2007, 12:02 AM

Do you feel the same way about 'jokes about yids'?

Expressing racist views and then claiming to be making a joke is nice way of having your cake and eating it.

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What really IS the point of having your cake and NOT eating it?

I mean what are you going to do with it? No Charley - don't tell us - but is it cake you've bought or someone's given you? If it's a cake you bought it would be a waste of your money but if someone else gave it to you it would be impolite not to eat it. However if it was your cake and you bought it for someone else then it would be extremely rude for you to it.

Dave very good point I didnt buy a cake to watch it go mouldy.

Why is it that racism is so bad and xenophobia is pretty much ok. They're pretty much one and the same. I don't think Frankie's racist - he's a big cuddly teddy bear. Seriously. I tried to persuade him not to have the operation to replace all his skin with artificial fur, but would he listen?

I guess because xenophobia doesn't concern a specific personal attribute or quality (or plural thereof), whereas racism does.

Quote: Simon Stratton @ September 27, 2007, 9:50 PM

Why is it that racism is so bad and xenophobia is pretty much ok. They're pretty much one and the same. I don't think Frankie's racist - he's a big cuddly teddy bear. Seriously. I tried to persuade him not to have the operation to replace all his skin with artificial fur, but would he listen?

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What colour teddy bear?