Quote: Firkin @ 9th August 2018, 8:38 PM
Unless its a long drive, then they're filled with urine.
The beach was 320 miles away, but no bottles were filled with urine. 
Quote: Firkin @ 9th August 2018, 8:38 PM
Out of interest Da Butt, we've had the hottest day (or close too) on record in Europe and people are understandably talking about climate control and Trump ducking out of that. How does that play back home ? Are people behind Trump on that ? I appreciate the Bushes were heavily invested in oil, but did America see it that way ?
I'd say the average American is like the average European: they think that we should do our best to take care of the planet and reduce pollution. Bringing Bush or Trump into the equation is nothing but politics and has nothing to do with the problem.
There's so much misinformation (politically motivated, of course) that people can be forgiven for not really understanding the issue. For instance, did you know that the United States had the world's largest decline in CO2 emissions last year? Or that China and India had huge increases? How many people realize that China's CO2 emissions are more than twice those of the United States?
It's all a money/power grab. When accords and treaties allow certain nations to continue to emit massive amounts of pollutants while penalizing other nations, then it's all a sham. And when one of those nations (China) is a major military foe bent on dominating the world, then it would be suicidal to allow them to have such a huge advantage.
Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 12th August 2018, 5:55 PM
I have no problem with facts that state there is global warming.
That's provable and accepted.
But man's fault? That is not yet provable.
You have only to look back at records and see it's been warmer, wetter and colder.
I'm all for lowering carbon emissions or any toxic emissions and having cleaner air to breath
But for 4 1/2 billion years the planet has looked after itself - I don't think 100 years of man spewing carbon out has much effect
Yep.
We've just gone through a very inactive solar cycle and scientists are starting to think that we might be entering an extended minimum. In the past, such minimums have caused extensive periods of cooling. All of the energy on this planet derives from the Sun, so I'm much more concerned about its effect on the planet than I am on human activity.
Quote: Definitely Tarby @ 12th August 2018, 9:21 PM
The global warming charts on the wiki page show the dramatic increase over the last few hundred years which show it's being caused by the activities of mankind as our population has exploded.
Correlation does not necessarily imply causation. Go back a few million years and you'll see that we've had numerous periods of unusually hot and cold weather.
Quote: zooo @ 13th August 2018, 12:06 PM
Dabutt was there? 
Have I ever cheered for Trump? I don't even like the guy. That said, I'm glad that he was elected instead of Hillary Clinton. I'd vote that way again in a heartbeat.
