Snore.
This forum isn't sexist. Slightly perverse maybe, but not sexist.

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Sexist?
Against.... remind us which sex you are again Dellas...?

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"Yes please"

If you don't like a forum join it and try and destroy it from within. I joined one in December 2006 - I won't name which one but it's full of terrible people - and have been working to bringing it down ever since, with an endless succession of inane and pointless posts.

Quote: chipolata @ June 16 2011, 6:27 PM BST

If you don't like a forum join it and try and destroy it from within. I joined one in December 2006 - I won't name which one but it's full of terrible people - and have been working to bringing it down ever since, with an endless succession of inane and pointless posts.

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TROLL! with a fab avatar pic

I saw his avatar in a certain special movie a while ago, I won't name it (because I can't remember it) but when I recognised it I did chuckle to myself, cus it's chip as well. MmmMmm.

Ah, Mumsnet, this time last week I couldn't have cared less. But since infiltrating it as part of my investigation of Reg Bailey's daft sexualisation laws, I have discovered it is not only a very silly place, but also not quite what it appears.

I have since set up a 'Mumsnet Sucks' Facebook group., Shut up, I did.

I sought more proof that Mumsnet is no semi-harmless site for partents, by infiltraing it's feminism section - is that appropriate for a parenting site? Gender politics? - and posing as arch man-hater (author of 'Why I Hate Men' in fact) none other then Julie Bindel. This was the thread that took place...

JulieBindel Tue 28-Jun-11 12:55:19

Hi, I admit to have been a happy lurker for a while, as this is one of the most vibrant, inspiring feminist forums on the internet - and with such a wide reach and proven power to really effect change too! And yet... I feel I cannot contribute, even in just this section, due to not having any children. I've got two cats, will that help?

DaisyHayes Tue 28-Jun-11 12:58:42

O.M.G! Come in Julie! Come in! Do you want a cup of tea? Wine?

<unable to play it cool>

You totally don't need children - there's lots of us here without.

TrilllianAstra Tue 28-Jun-11 13:01:48

MN is definitely not Mums only.
You don't even need to be interested in children.

AliceWhirled Tue 28-Jun-11 13:32:27

Oh my f**king god. Or I'm so cool I know it's a wind up.
No kids needed . It's all a conspiracy to keep patriarchy from the door as they think it's just silly mums, but really we're planning the revolution.

TrilllianAstra Tue 28-Jun-11 13:38:44
Why are you all fainting and excited? So a non-mum wants to post. Lots of MNers (including some who frequently post on the feminist topics) are not mums.

StewieGriffinsMom Tue 28-Jun-11 13:39:27 There are lots of people in this section who don't have children.

LRDTheFeministNutcase Tue 28-Jun-11 13:51:43 There are lots of us who are not mums

pixielovescake Tue 28-Jun-11 13:55:32 Hi , welcome. I have no cats or children no partner. a fair few of us don't I think.

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Then the real Julie Bindel got word to Mumsnet that it wasn't her and the thread was deleted. But I think we can safely conclude that the number of Bindel-Worshipping, Man-Hating Radical Feminists who post at MUMSnet, while not being, like, a MUM... is LOTS.

Is that a problem? well the site doesn't market itself as a woman's site, its for mums, with dads welcome too. And if you think the feminism discussed on Mumsnet was the, er, gentle, empowering nice variety, think again - here's some quotes from just one thread on Mumsnet - (at this point I do realise you are either captivated or left the thread...)

Aah, Mumsnet the site for parents! And threads like this... http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/feminist_activism/1185573-How-to-eliminate-the-patriarchy/

"Why is that men in relatively powerless situations still feel able/willing to mobilise politically to overthrow political regime which oppress them and become violent if necessary and we don't?"

"I suppose a parallel could be drawn with the anti-apartheid movement - it certainly hasn't ended racism in South Africa but it has changed the power structure in many ways. It seems to me that we would have more chance of changing the cultural attitudes after women were in power."

"My choice is to have a really interesting, engaging, high status, high paid career and to function properly as a hands on mother with lots of time and energy for my children with a really good work life balance.

Unfortunately, the way the job market is structured at the moment, militiates [sic] against giving me that choice in the main."

"But it seems that women are receiving a backlash of quite enormous strength and vigour. We're the new serfs and the dumping-grounds of astonishing hate, bile and exploitation."

"I am interested in views on whether the revolution will necessarily be violent i.e. you have to fight fire with fire."

"The suffragettes used to go out and plant bombs and smash windows in the West End. They got themselves arrested and sent to prison. They were hard core compared to what we're up to now. I've been thinking about that quite a lot recently."

"If feminist thinkers joined the main political parties en masse, especially if they could outnumber the pro-patriarchy thinkers, then we could start exerting real influence on the decisions made in our country. Also if we invaded took over the majorities on school boards and other organisations that heavily influence culture and policy, we could guide decisions in favour of female-friendly changes etc."

"Women staying with abusive partners, I don't view this as weak but a rational choice that they would be worse off on their own under the patriarchal system."

"Women should stop getting married and living with men. I've reached the conclusion that male-female pair-bonding is the pillar that holds up the patriarchy and keeps it rock solid. This is the very key. Women should live with their friends, sisters, old classmates, other single mothers, or their own mothers. This is the quickest way to make the entire house of cards collapse."

"Could women all go on strike?"

"I think women should vote for women, not parties."

"I've reached a point where I am bloody sick of reading what men have to say, especially what men have to say about social injustice, and even more especially what men have to say about the oppression of women. I can't be bothered to listen to them any more. Bunch of dead, white, bearded loudmouths oozing privilege, when I have to read them I feel like shouting "oh for FUCK'S SAKE, SHUT IT". And I just scroll on past the live ones who just love to regale us with endless mansplainy inches of their "wisdom" on the internet, holding my middle finger aloft as I do so. F**kers."

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Oh, and if you're wondering whether these hardline revolutionary attitudes were confined to the feminism section - and I am not even anti-feminist - don't believe it. The same people quoted are over every subject. But with the power Mumsnet has, and a general reluctance to criticize feminism even a tiny bit (even if they talk about bombing stuff like above) then I don't expect much mainstream criticism towards Mumsnet about anything important. That is untl I created my Mumsnet Sucks FB page, now we'll see hahaha!

...it's just a forum.
Not worth getting your knickers in a twist about it.

It's a forum proven to have major political clout.

I believe I advocated hanging people who wet the bed as they are all probable serial killers on BCG.

And you thought we were just a bunch of sofa masturbators who like sitcoms!

Psyche,

So, Damn Avenell, you visited a forum on feminism within the mumsnet forums and you found that they have strong feminist views. I think you'll find that if you visit a Papal forum they may all support catholicism, and in a Bears forum, you'd probably find that they are generally in favour of shitting in the woods.

I for one, welcome our new feminist overlords.

The Bears forum are also quite fond of pic-a-nic baskets.

Are there any nice single ladies over there?

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So, Damn Avenell, you visited a forum on feminism within the mumsnet forums and you found that they have strong feminist views. I think you'll find that if you visit a Papal forum they may all support catholicism, and in a Bears forum, you'd probably find that they are generally in favour of shitting in the woods.

I for one, welcome our new feminist overlords.

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I was surprised Mumsnet had a feminism section. It likes to market itself as for parents, including dads. One-sided gender politics is perhaps better left to non-parenting sites, in my opinion. But nice to see the old pope shits in the woods joke is still popular with some.

If Mumsnet continues to influence political policy (if it does) it is important to know who is driving it and why - we have already seen them throw their support behind the Reg Bailey report - so how many mumsnetters are against 'premature sexualisation' because they believe its harmful to kids - and how many think its a neat way of getting rid of porn and challenging traditional gender roles? I find that an interesting question, if you don't, there's not much I can do about that. I could build a brainwashing gun I suppose... but I wouldn't know where to start to be honest.

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... so how many mumsnetters are against 'premature sexualisation' because they believe its harmful to kids - and how many think its a neat way of getting rid of porn and challenging traditional gender roles?

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I would say that for the majority of mumsnet patrons, protecting their kids is their main priority.

It's terrible when you hide your true intentions, almost like pretending to be a famous feminist to "infiltrate" a feminism forum, which you bragged about doing in your first post. Pot/Kettle?

What policies has Mumsnet influenced?