Quote: Bad dog @ November 4 2008, 8:33 PM GMT

I watched "The Choice 2008" on C4 the other night, and McCain came across as a bumbling maverick who somehow got where he is because there was no-one much better. Obama, on the other hand, seemed to have a game plan to get where he is, from the start, doing what had to be done to get there, a la Blair. If he does win with a big landslide, and doesn't live up to his promises, there is going to be a lot of anger in a few years' time.

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And what is Obama's game plan? He sure hasn't shown it to the American voters. His entire platform has been based on his promise to bring troops home from Iraq (already a done deal before he's even in office; the war has been won) and his claim that McCain is exactly the same as George Bush (he ain't.) But most of all, he just mutters "change" and everyone - especially the media - gets weak in the knees.

Anyone who thinks he's going to be any better than the last few presidents is going to be in for a big surprise. I just hope the world's media will be as tough on him as they were on Bush once President Obama raises taxes, drops bombs on sovereign nations and falls completely short of all of his campaign promises.

Anyone want to take as guess as to how long his shine will last in the rest of the world? The whole idea that the United States' reputation in the world will be transformed overnight is ridiculous. The rest of the world never really liked us in the past and I can't say that it bothers me at all. We make a convenient punching bag and things are unlikely to change.

Now on 207 - 135 to Obama's favour.

(What DaButt said.)

Aaaand Obama wins it.

Probably.

He did it.

Great News.

Quote: DaButt @ November 5 2008, 2:44 AM GMT

Anyone who thinks he's going to be any better than the last few presidents is going to be in for a big surprise.

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Hahaha....Yea, George Bush has set the bar really high hasn't he?

Very pleased. They're even celebrating in Kenya!

Very pleased I stayed up to watch it all. The moment Pennsylvania went to Obama I thought he was going to win, then when he got Ohio it was game over for McCain.

What is really impressive is that he won a lot of states that Bush won by massive margins in 2000 and 2004.

I did like McCain's speech though, very gracious, seemed a lot different from some of the personal attacks on Obama that his party made in the last few weeks. Obama's victory speech was great too, it reminded me a lot of Martin Luther King's I Have A Dream speech, with all the 'Yes We Can'. I do wish we had politicians over here that could give speeches like him.

Quote: NickTheDon @ November 5 2008, 6:10 AM GMT

I did like McCain's speech though, very gracious, seemed a lot different from some of the personal attacks on Obama that his party made in the last few weeks. Obama's victory speech was great too, it reminded me a lot of Martin Luther King's I Have A Dream speech, with all the 'Yes We Can'. I do wish we had politicians over here that could give speeches like him.

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I hope you weren't unaware of the personal attacks made by the Obama campaign. Even uglier than McCain's, to be sure.

The man has made big (and vague) promises, but nobody knows if he's anything more than an eloquent speaker. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass about great speeches, I want a great leader. And nobody knows if Obama has what it takes to be a great leader. He's been a senator for less than 4 years and almost 2 of those years have been spent campaigning for president.

Time will tell if he will turn out to be a great president. Personally, I think the realities of the situation will bring his support crashing to the ground rather quickly. The world should hold off on the accolades until he's actually done something. As The Wolf once said, "Well, let's not start sucking each other's dicks quite yet."

So are the streets teeming with Taliban yet?

Have the Marxists reposessed your house?

Quote: DaButt @ November 5 2008, 2:44 AM GMT

And what is Obama's game plan? He sure hasn't shown it to the American voters. His entire platform has been based on his promise to bring troops home from Iraq (already a done deal before he's even in office; the war has been won) and his claim that McCain is exactly the same as George Bush (he ain't.) But most of all, he just mutters "change" and everyone - especially the media - gets weak in the knees.

Anyone who thinks he's going to be any better than the last few presidents is going to be in for a big surprise. I just hope the world's media will be as tough on him as they were on Bush once President Obama raises taxes, drops bombs on sovereign nations and falls completely short of all of his campaign promises.

Anyone want to take as guess as to how long his shine will last in the rest of the world? The whole idea that the United States' reputation in the world will be transformed overnight is ridiculous. The rest of the world never really liked us in the past and I can't say that it bothers me at all. We make a convenient punching bag and things are unlikely to change.

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Well, based on that, you DO sound like a bunch of shits over there. America is clearly not disliked without reason, you know that.

I think the game plan was just to get elected.

Quote: Bad dog @ November 5 2008, 10:00 AM GMT

I think the game plan was just to get elected.

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Is there any other game plan for politicians?

I'm all for a change but you can't change greed. It is.

Dead right, Frankie, I agree with you there.

Quote: DaButt @ November 5 2008, 6:24 AM GMT

I hope you weren't unaware of the personal attacks made by the Obama campaign. Even uglier than McCain's, to be sure.

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Lots of Americans are afraid of socialists and Muslims. The McCain crowd called Obama both. What was the worst attack lobbed by the left? Sarah Palin's wardrobe cost $150,000? Her husband was a member of a secessionist group? Which is true.

Truth is, the right tried their same old smear tactics and the rest of us said "we're sick of your shit".

I am extremely happy and proud tonight.

Speaking as a liberal elitist, it's great to have a fellow liberal elitist in the White House. We're so much better at running things than non-liberal non-elitists.

On the subject of all the jubilation, it reminded me a bit of May 1997 when Britain elected Tony Blair, our first African American Prime Minister.

Obama's done well in becoming President-Elect, although I can't see him being able to reward his Afro-American supporters in the way many of them appear to expect of him.