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I was away for the weekend, HDed it, and just seen it.

The story was preposterous. There was a lot of plot which sagged.

What was the point in them being locked in the cellar? (Peeing on the cat food was a bit like the One Foot episode 'Hearts of Darkness' when Victor is attached to Mrs Warboys with cement and pees against the tree: 'Sorry Mrs Warboys, you're just going to have to look the other way and put your fingers in your ears!').

When we first see Sheridan Smith's character Joey Ross in this ep, and Jonathan ttells her he knows she's been working as a waitress because she has ink on her elbows as she's been leaning on the small ads etc seemed out of place, somehow. That sort of observation fits better coming from Patrick Jane in The Mentalist, or Monk or House, than this.

There was no mention of Paul McCann's brother until the 'reveal'. This information should always be set up, even if it's just in dialogue. McCann's character HAD to confess all about that, because Jonathan would never have got it because he didn't know he had a brother.

The sub-plot with Krauss was extraordinary weak. Just as bad as the 3D porn sub-plot he had last time. He's a good actor and a good character, but that part especially needs a good script. And when they were explaining the technology involved with the 'fixed' videos of Klaus it loses even more. I'm not even sure an amateur techie could do that without spending his Sundays at Pixar.

And McCann's character shouldn't have got away with it. That resolution has happened in a few crime things and it always leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.

Doreen Mantle (Mrs Warboys) didn't seem to do much. I was rather wondering if she would be the murderer - that she had made up that whole 100-year old story herself. She just seemed to be a steriotypical house keeper.

And Sheridan Smith's dialogue seemed to have been 'modernized'. All 'come again' and 'I was like' etc. A minor quibble, that, admittedly.

I think the main problem was: it wasn't a locked room mystery. The best Jonathan Creeks - and indeed practically the whole of Series 1-3 were locked room mysteries. They were contained and cosy. It worked. Or, it was a puzzle - like the fantastic 'Time Waits for Norman' episode.

I'm going to try and forget this one happened, really. If it's the last-ever episode, then it's a shame - but saying that, the Series 4 finale in '04 was worse, I think.

Quote: Dave @ April 6 2010, 9:53 PM BST

There was no mention of Paul McCann's brother until the 'reveal'. This information should always be set up, even if it's just in dialogue. McCann's character HAD to confess all about that, because Jonathan would never have got it because he didn't know he had a brother.

He mentioned he had a brother when he met Jonathan for the first time, but I completely agree that it was impossible for the audience to come up with a motive as to why McGann and mad Coronation Street lady would want to set up the girl for murder. Saying this, them girls being so young yet driving that posh car at the start did arouse a touch of suspicion in me.

I never liked Time Waits For Norman - but I agree with the locked room thing. It's just tighter, a lot more controlled.

I like the one where the bath tilts people into a tank!

(That was Jonathan Creek, right?)

Quote: zooo @ April 5 2010, 4:40 PM BST

Her boots were sensible!

Did she change into stilettos without me noticing or something?

It wasn't that they were stilettos, but platforms. I've been reliably informed that they're harder to walk in because the sole doesn't bend.

Quote: zooo @ April 7 2010, 12:00 AM BST

I like the one where the bath tilts people into a tank!

(That was Jonathan Creek, right?)

Last special - The Grinning Man. Proper gothic style mystery.

Quote: Godot Taxis @ April 7 2010, 12:13 AM BST

It wasn't that they were stilettos, but platforms. I've been reliably informed that they're harder to walk in because the sole doesn't bend.

Ahh. I only noticed her boots. The footwear change passed me by.

Last special - The Grinning Man. Proper gothic style mystery.

More like that then, please!

Why put the red herrings in, such as the vanishing house? It was obvious padding. The major parts that did matter needed to be extra good to make up for this blaring detour, but you get the feeling the writer tried way too hard to make the murder Creeky - a pocket watch's glass being smashed by someone's voice and then a gaseous poison actually finding its way to the victim, with all that open air about? There has to be a little bit of credibility to the crime or it just becomes laughable.

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ April 7 2010, 3:48 PM BST

a pocket watch's glass being smashed by someone's voice and then a gaseous poison actually finding its way to the victim, with all that open air about?

Yes. There is no guarentee that the bloke would have looked at his watch at 3.15 anyhow!!!

Quote: jhmagic1 @ April 8 2010, 12:32 AM BST

Yes. There is no guarentee that the bloke would have looked at his watch at 3.15 anyhow!!!

In fairness, he was told he was going to die at that precise moment in time, I know I'd definitely be looking at my watch.

But he was set up as a character who didnt believe in the curse. The voice over said - he carried on life as normal

I'm frankly astonished that a show which relies on Alan Davies' acting ability garners so much debate about the plausibility of the plot...

Quote: Tim Walker @ April 8 2010, 2:21 AM BST

I'm frankly astonished that a show which relies on Alan Davies' acting ability garners so much debate about the plausibility of the plot...

I know. He is a crap actor but I still love it.

I've just bought series 1-4 with the specials because I don't think I saw a whole one with CQ in because I remember deliberately not watching anything with her in a few years ago. I am now willing to reassess my odd aversion to the woman in order to watch what the reviews say were the best episodes. I'm hoping this is going to be one of those best purchases ever er, purchases that you make when you realised you haven't really seen a show you thought you had.

If you want to watch them in chronological order Kipper, watch the first Special (Black Canary) after series two and the Second Special before series four.

I watched them in order and there is gradual, linear decline in quality. Most of them have something, but what people mean when they think of a Jonathan creek episode is really mostly series 1 and 2 although The Three Gamblers (series 3 finale) is outstanding.

Righto. Think I'll have to get some big bags of crisps in.