Arse, I see to have trouble counting upto 7. Maybe I should get a job looking after MP's expenses.
Quote: Dolly Dagger @ May 26 2009, 2:18 PM BSTDentist and his wife
who cannot cook the dinner
But not ButterfliesOld Icelandic skaldic poems?
On fart gags.
Quote: sootyj @ May 26 2009, 2:22 PM BSTMaybe I should get a job looking after MP's expenses.
Be nice to have some!
*******
I'm perfectly willing to
swear. As were the Berkley Boys
When the sun went down.
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Quote: Dolly Dagger @ May 26 2009, 2:18 PM BSTDentist and his wife
who cannot cook the dinner
But not Butterflies
Pulling (Teeth)
Only kidding.
Men with same parents
camp moustaches and mullets
both have laughing sight.
Not much guessing going on, or is it that they're all too obvious?
Quote: Marc P @ May 26 2009, 2:01 PM BSTMaybe you are thinking of sonnets.
I'm not that thick - I was thinking of:
THE MATTER OF KU-MATAGARI (SEGMENT-STRADDLING)
Besides the two linguistic considerations and the varying underlying structures , there is yet another factor adding freedom and flexibility to contemporary Japanese haiku. Although a majority of contemporary Japanese haiku are still written in the classic 5-7-5 form, a significant number of them make use of what is called ku-matagari (segment-straddling), where a word straddles two segments. Many haiku that appear to be, and can be read aloud as 5-7-5 are actually 7-5-5, 8-4-5, 5-9-3, 5-8-4, etc. This technique is more frequently used by the poets in the avant-garde schools, and only those schools seem to allow more than one straddling within one haiku.****
Although the popular use of ku-matagari is a relatively recent phenomenon, I have come across some examples in a comprehensive collection of Issa's haiku.
Here is one example :
dou owaretemo (7) hitozato-o (5) watari-dori (5) - Issa
hunted mercilessly
migrating birds still
fly over towns
Quote: Marc P @ May 26 2009, 2:30 PM BSTPulling (Teeth)
Watching it can feel like that.
I thought these were supposed to be cryptic?
Ok, I'll ask...
Can someone explain, for us dimwits, exactly what a Haiku is?
Time to take the climb
Up the fabled wooden hill
And to Bedfordshire.
Quote: Nil Putters @ May 26 2009, 2:42 PM BSTOk, I'll ask...
Can someone explain, for us dimwits, exactly what a Haiku is?
It's a three line japanese poem. 5/7/5 syllables, usually summming up some larger philosophy or view within a small metaphorical observation.
We are using the form here if not the spirit of the thing. And I think the Japanese run it all on one line and read it backwards.
Quote: Nil Putters @ May 26 2009, 2:42 PM BSTOk, I'll ask...
Can someone explain, for us dimwits, exactly what a Haiku is?
A poem usually in praise of the seasons written as 3 lines containing, 5, 7 and 5 syllables.
Quote: sootyj @ May 26 2009, 2:44 PM BSTA poem usually in praise of the seasons written as 3 lines containing, 5, 7 and 5 syllables.
It has references to the seasons usually SottyJ but not really in praise to them. It is more of a pathetic fallacy/anthropomorphism metaphorical kind of gig.
Thanks everyone.
Quote: Griff @ May 26 2009, 2:46 PM BSTYou plonker. Don't you know there's a war on?
But no.
Quote: Jane P @ May 26 2009, 2:37 PM BST
THE MATTER OF KU-MATAGARI (SEGMENT-STRADDLING)
Besides the two linguistic considerations and the varying underlying structures , there is yet another factor adding freedom and flexibility to contemporary Japanese haiku. Although a majority of contemporary Japanese haiku are still written in the classic 5-7-5 form, a significant number of them make use of what is called ku-matagari (segment-straddling), where a word straddles two segments. Many haiku that appear to be, and can be read aloud as 5-7-5 are actually 7-5-5, 8-4-5, 5-9-3, 5-8-4, etc. This technique is more frequently used by the poets in the avant-garde schools, and only those schools seem to allow more than one straddling within one haiku.****
Although the popular use of ku-matagari is a relatively recent phenomenon, I have come across some examples in a comprehensive collection of Issa's haiku.Here is one example :
dou owaretemo (7) hitozato-o (5) watari-dori (5) - Issahunted mercilessly
migrating birds still
fly over towns
So what you are saying is the classic Haiku is 5/7/5 but some twerps are calling themselves post modern by not sticking to the form. That's like calling a limerick a sonnett!!
Old men brave hearts
Fight the Hun fight the ARP
No one likes anal.