Any mathematicians on this site? Page 2

Quote: A Horseradish @ 23rd April 2015, 1:28 PM BST

That does look right, yes, and it is neat. To have it as 6< would be "what is 6 less than?" which means the same thing as "what is more than 6?" but 6< probably looks better in a construction.

In the first case there, 6 is less than x so x is definitely 7. In the second, so far as it makes sense, any number that goes before <6 must be less than 6. So the main point surely is how you define and indeed describe "less than" symbolically depends on what "less than" is being used in relation to.

I think you have a concept here that if you stick an x or a number against 6> or 6<, it then relates to something - which is correct : it relates to whatever it is stuck against, eg 6<x, 6<7 - but that if you don't do that at that start and just say "less than 6", ie >6, it doesn't relate to anything much at all.

It's standing alone in that thinking. In mid air. As if it is some sort of entity of itself.

But it does relate to something. In actuality, it relates to all the numbers lower than 6.

The reason why you are not grasping that fully is that without the x or a number preceding it - and being in the form of a question which someone else has to answer - it appears to you that what it relates to at the start is so invisible that the phrase "less than six" or >6 is absent of full context.

Look at this way.

I say "bat and ball" or "ball and bat"? What is the better phrase? You say it's "bat and ball". Fine. So then I say but is it "bat and?" or "ball and?"? You reply it depends on the context. If the answer is "ball", it's "bat and?" If it's "chain", it's "ball and". And I say "oh no, I'm asking how the question must be asked. It's "bat and?" or "ball and?". There is a definitive way". No, sorry pal, but there just isn't.

Yes, I think you are right and that is where I am getting confused, especially where it is a number that is more than one and less than another - in other words, as you have stated, it depends on what context it is in, and that's where it gets confusing. So my maths teacher friend was right in saying it is 6<x<8 for a number that is in between 6 and 8, or if say it was one of any number between say 3 and 9 it would be written as 3<x<9 - please say that that is correct or I will have to shoot myself as suggested by GB. :(

Quote: Hercules Grytpype Thynne @ 23rd April 2015, 4:40 PM BST

Yes, I think you are right and that is where I am getting confused, especially where it is a number that is more than one and less than another - in other words, as you have stated, it depends on what context it is in, and that's where it gets confusing. So my maths teacher friend was right in saying it is 6<x<8 for a number that is in between 6 and 8, or if say it was one of any number between say 3 and 9 it would be written as 3<x<9 - please say that that is correct or I will have to shoot myself as suggested by GB. :(

Ah, if only it were that simple...

Quote: Hercules Grytpype Thynne @ 23rd April 2015, 4:40 PM BST

Yes, I think you are right and that is where I am getting confused, especially where it is a number that is more than one and less than another - in other words, as you have stated, it depends on what context it is in, and that's where it gets confusing. So my maths teacher friend was right in saying it is 6<x<8 for a number that is in between 6 and 8, or if say it was one of any number between say 3 and 9 it would be written as 3<x<9 - please say that that is correct or I will have to shoot myself as suggested by GB. :(

That is right. :)

Quote: beaky @ 23rd April 2015, 5:05 PM BST

Ah, if only it were that simple...

Laughing out loud

Quote: A Horseradish @ 23rd April 2015, 5:32 PM BST

That is right. :)

Phew, than phuck for that. :D (now where's that OC template)

Quote: Hercules Grytpype Thynne @ 23rd April 2015, 6:54 PM BST

Phew, than phuck for that. :D (now where's that OC template)

That programme would be better if the question setters didn't have any link in their minds so that the intellectual brigade had to come up with something totally novel. Hey, HGT, you could have a go now:

John Cage

Eric Heffer

54321

Silver Washed Fritillary

?

Quote: A Horseradish @ 23rd April 2015, 7:03 PM BST

That programme would be better if the question setters didn't have any link in their minds so that the intellectual brigade had to come up with something totally novel. Hey, HGT, you could have a go now:

John Cage

Eric Heffer

54321

Silver Washed Fritillary

?

No idea............this better be good. ;)

Quote: Hercules Grytpype Thynne @ 23rd April 2015, 8:42 PM BST

No idea............this better be good. ;)

No.

I know of no link.

You have to find one.

That's the point. Geek

Quote: A Horseradish @ 23rd April 2015, 9:22 PM BST

No.

I know of no link.

You have to find one.

That's the point. Geek

Got it! But..............

I don't think the question editor would accept me offering that and saying the link is A Horseradish

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 23rd April 2015, 11:44 AM BST

Yes it does. Before.

Here's a mathematical conundrum you might find taxing 2+2=

Whistling nnocently Here's an easier one, I have to build a new house to fill a 10m2 plot but the client doesn't like squares and it has to be as big inside as possible. What shape do I have to make it to satisfy that criteria?

Cut a cm off one side and call it a rectangle?

Quote: Paul Wimsett @ 24th April 2015, 8:46 AM BST

Cut a cm off one side and call it a rectangle?

That was my answer - you've been cribbing again! :P

Greater than eight should be expressed as <8
Less than eight >8
if temperature is minus eight it's -8 etc. the sign coming before the number.
There are exceptions to this rule, % for example, but basically, write it how you say it.

Shame the Lucasian Chair of Mathematics isn't up for grabs, they'd be spoilt for choice here.

Quote: Maurice Mynah @ 24th April 2015, 9:53 AM BST

Greater than eight should be expressed as <8
Less than eight >8
if temperature is minus eight it's -8 etc. the sign coming before the number.
There are exceptions to this rule, % for example, but basically, write it how you say it.

Thanks for that MM, but you've set me off again! :(

But what about this, which was given to me by a Maths teacher when the number is between 3 and 9. If you had the first < in front of the 3 this would not make the "formula" right? As Horse pointed out it depends on what context it is used in - yes?

3<x<9

MM has wrong ones correctly in front of number. Maths eh :S

Herc the value between 3 and 9 I would say is >3,<9 not what your maths teacher mate says. There's possibly another symbol used for that tho.

Thank you AJK - like you say...... :S and >_<