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The Queen's scriptwriters are lousy.

In an idle moment I watched the Queen's Christmas speech, which I had recorded on my HDR.

At one point talking about the floods in Australia, she expressed concern about those who "had lost their lives AND their livelihood" ???

:S

People who have lost their lives tend not to HAVE a livelihood

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A somewhat amazing girl, fighting terrible problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNZVV4Ciccg&feature=share

http://carlysvoice.com/

http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/so-brillliantly-youve-presented-a-really-transgressive-case-through-the-mainstream-media/

Sorry to seem negative, but there is an alternative view on these miracles...

Quote: sootyj @ January 15 2012, 8:11 PM GMT

http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/so-brillliantly-youve-presented-a-really-transgressive-case-through-the-mainstream-media/

Sorry to seem negative, but there is an alternative view on these miracles...

Highly unlikely in Carly's case in my opinion.

It is presented as a miracle in the video, but really you can see that it is more likely to be a girl who was unable to talk but not unable to learn. She was tutored extensively and finally found that she was able to type a few words and then gradually over some 3 years or so has been able to type more coherently.

Don't just watch the video, go to the website & see what is there too.

Bill I've seen the website.

Please don't assume ignorance on my behalf on this.

Some of these intensive interaction programs can work amazingly, but there is one absolute acid test. Does the person start communicating in a unique voice? Or does it sound strangely like what the parent or carer wants to hear?

Do they start expressing religious values espoused by the parents, or demanding expensive treatments that it would seem improbable they would know about?

Do they miraculously not have the typical features associated with autistic and similar conditions? Issues around empathy and sense of self.

Secondly it's possible to exagerate the effects of consistent and effective intervention. You can spin 10 years intensive consistent work into a miracle, particularly if one of the therapists is a newer one.

Finally autism is a mystery and it's not consistent through out life. Maturation, changes in diet, environment can have massive impacts.

I've certainly known people who couldn't read or speak at 10 write books at 20.

It's a fascinating little understood condition. It's also frequently terrible harrowing on the person and those who support them.

So when improvements and developments are spun as "miracles" especially when there is a comercial element. Then it makes uneasy. I've known people who spent staggering sums on snake oil cures.

Bill - you recorded the Queen's speech??!! (borrows gun from DaButt and loads up).

keewik, did you ever get round to trying marmite?!

No. Funnily enough I was thinking of that the other day. Must look for it in Morrisons.

Quote: Nil Putters @ January 15 2012, 6:52 PM GMT

It's horrible.

I like cheese and bread, but it just doesn't work.

It's rice on top that cracks. Not grains of rice though, that would be weird. I wasn't overly keen on it at first but it's Lady Leevil's favourite so I have become accustomed to it.

Would Marmite be in the jam section?

I think it is normally.
I'm sure I've seen it in various places though.

Just looking on the telly and someone's flying the house from Up except for real.

Awsome.

No idea what the show is but awsome.

Quote: Lee @ January 16 2012, 2:44 PM GMT

It's rice on top that cracks. Not grains of rice though, that would be weird. I wasn't overly keen on it at first but it's Lady Leevil's favourite so I have become accustomed to it.

Bleurgh.

I like the sort of greasy savoury taste tiger bread crust has

I can only eat it fresh and warm now. I have recently become seriously picky with my food.