Derek - Pilot Page 6

Personally, I have no idea what to make of this.

Firstly, I don't agree with the notion that Derek is necessarily disabled. Some people just are that little bit ... well, thick, without actually having any kind of learning disability. But whatever he is or isn't supposed to be, I agree with sooty's argument that we saw a load of gestures and mannerisms with only limited amounts of the actual person.

As far as the comedy goes, it got one small (but admittedly, reasonably satisfied) laugh from me; Dougie's reaction to Derek running naked through the lounge area.

I'd also hoped that the mock-doc elements in the trailers were created for the trailers, and we'd get some kind of variation in Gervais's range. No such luck. Same boring, tired old tosh that he produced MORE THAN A DECADE AGO. Frankly I find it depressing that it's still being made.

However, there was a nice bit of pathos surrounding Joan's death. It did feel a tad overdone, and I didn't quite buy into Derek being so devastated by it: he's supposed to work in a nursing home, and he's still so gravely personally affected by the death of a patient? Pull the other one. But I guess it serviced the plot...

Further on the realism of the show, it was a great pity that they crowbarred in the wake scene. That just does not happen in any care home I've ever heard of. People are almost spirited away without further mention when they die; there's certainly no black dress event.

Having said that, it wasn't absolutely awful. The story was sort of interesting, although certainly not gripping.

However, I think it'd be a real mistake were Channel 4 to order a series. It was a curious little one-off but didn't sow enough seeds of promise, and I'm struggling to see where they could take the characters that wouldn't end up being an inarguable mocking of the disabled, the infirm and the elderly.

They've always been known for pushing boundaries with their programming, but that kind of mockery would be a bit too risqué even by Channel 4's standards.

A fair summing up there.

Albeit the idea of the old folks as comical extras who sat around either dying or being deaf was in itself a bit retrograde.

Quote: Vince Ives @ April 13 2012, 12:36 AM BST

I don't get why it was mockumentary at all, it seemed like it would have been more effective without the whole 'talking to the camera' routine.

Exposition, dear Vince. Gervais doesn't know how to write full explorative dialogue and plotting!

Quote: sootyj @ April 13 2012, 12:39 AM BST

I dunno Lee if you met Derek down the pub would you buy him a pint or would you snigger at him?

Are those the only choices? Can't I kick him the bollocks, nick his pint and call him a spazmo?

Isn't the point of exteme comic characters are that you wouldn't want to socialise with them in any way? Brittas, Partridge, Hitler, etc.

My biggest problem with RG's portrayal wasn't the greased down hair or slack lip, it was that it was Ricky Gervais. He can only convincingly play two characters - Brent and himself - and because of his iconic status, there was no way I could 'buy' into his portrayal. At no point during the programme did I think he was Derek, I just thought he was Gervais playing Derek.

He's very convincing as the head of the museum in Night at the Museum.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ April 13 2012, 12:52 AM BST

Are those the only choices? Can't I kick him the bollocks, nick his pint and call him a spazmo?

I think Lee deserves better than that.

Quote: Aaron @ April 13 2012, 12:49 AM BST

Exposition, dear Vince. Gervais doesn't know how to write full explorative dialogue and plotting!

Well he does, 'cos of Extras!

Quote: Vince Ives @ April 13 2012, 12:57 AM BST

Well he does, 'cos of Extras!

We'll have to agree to differ on that one I think!

As ever, James Cary makes some very thoughtful points over at his 'sitcomgeek' blog: "If anything the show is rather thoughtless with regard to the elderly who are treated as props."

http://sitcomgeek.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/derek.html

Saw the ad. Gave it a miss.

Fits in with the well-made-but-not-funny-ha-ha shows like Roger and Val, The Great Outdoors...I loved the pre-pilot pilot that Gervais did years ago (now erased from YouTube) and that's what got me invested in Derek the character. This one did feel a bit rushed and it was very much a show of two halves. Fairly British as well, nice to see he didn't write it with an eye towards HBO. I think it's got a six episode series in it and I found it much less smug and self-satisfied than LTS. Wonder if it'll show over here (N America) just on the strength of the Gervais brand?

A 6 part series might be a bit much...!

I found this interesting. Derek is very much like a reasonably well known fella in the town that I live in, who goes by the name of Anthony. The similarities between the 2 were striking...

Sadly I think Gervais struggles to act seriously. Couldn't help but be reminded of the Extras episode where he plays the lead in the gay play. Just too obviously 'acting'.

Other than that, I enjoyed it. But a series wouldn't work I don't think.

Quote: Aaron @ April 13 2012, 12:59 AM BST

We'll have to agree to differ on that one I think!

I'm not saying Extras isn't flawed (although S2 does get a disproportionate level of hatred), I'm just saying he is capable of doing non-fakedoc.

Gervais can't act. And he's bereft of ideas.
R5 has had James Cary on to comment. Basically he didn't like it either.

Quote: Garry Lee @ April 13 2012, 12:29 AM BST

The writing was fantastic, but Gervais' acting really pulls the whole show down. I was fine with the character, but his portrayal was really piss poor.

I hope if it is turned into a series that he really tones down the character. Being learning disabled is fine, but I've been surrounded by people like that, and they don't speak like that or do that thing with their mouths. It's what they say and in general their outlook that makes them stand out.

A more apt comparison I think would be Peter Kay's "Leonard" The oldest paperboy in Bolton.

A very similar character and one off dramedy.

Quote: Lee Henman @ April 13 2012, 12:13 AM BST

I think it'll get flack because it's assumed that Ricky's taking the piss but I didn't feel that at all. Derek is the hero. He's nice, he's kind, he's in tune with his emotions, he puts everyone else before himself and he's brave as well. How is that taking the piss?

Pretty much my take, too. Though he could really tone down the broader physical ticks.

Quote: Park Bench @ April 13 2012, 2:48 AM BST

Saw the ad. Gave it a miss.

What else didn't you watch last night?