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Quote: Chris Hallam @ 17th May 2025, 11:44 AM

It is widely accepted that Brexit alone has weakened our economy by about 4%.
Literally nobody claims the economy has been strengthened by it or believes these fantasies about a hardcore group of Remainders working to sabotage the economy even today.
Get real! The blame for the Brexit disaster lies solely with the Brexiteers.

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You keep talking about Brexit in purely economic terms, it was NOT a purely economic decision, as is well documented. But while we're on the economy, many millions of Brits' own economies tanked due to the free movement disaster courtesy of Blair and the EU, and haven't recovered, and aren't likely to.

Blame Blair, blame the EU instead of millions of working people who'd seen their income drop, their employment prospects implode, their health suffer due to an overburdened NHS and their cost of housing and living go through the roof because of an unsustainable exponential rise in population and the labour market.

Now your Blair mark2 PM is going to start that all again tomorrow with his treasonous return to the EU, whatever the lying shyster says it isn't. I see a no confidence vote looming large if he does let more people in, and that'll hopefully be the end for this lying, u-turning, swivelling, scheming shitehawk.

Quote: lofthouse @ 18th May 2025, 10:51 AM

Tomorrow Starmer begins his "Brexit Betrayal"

Halle-f**king-lujah

👍🙏😎🥳😁🍻🥂🍹🍺

About bloody time too

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I shouldn't hold your breath.
It'll be a pretty lily-livered affair - tinkering at the edges, at best.
It will, as you say though, be portrayed as the greatest betrayal since The Ides of March.
Much Frothing at the Mouth.
(Which we be a good place to hold Reform;s annual conference, come to think of it.)

We shall see

It can only be an improvement on the pathetic botched deal bojo the clown landed us with

"There's plenty on the table. According to weekend reports, the UK will be granted access to the EU's £150 billion defence procurement scheme. Work is also ongoing to ensure that Brits travelling to the continent can avoid the long passport control queues which have arisen as a result of Brexit.

Crucially, checks on food and agricultural equipment at the border are in line for a substantial reduction, easing the flow of goods across the Channel. Talks will also open the door to the swifter import of energy - which UK representatives say will help to reduce household bills overall."

True, it will be an improvement.
For that I guess we can be thankful.
I only hope that some sort of Youth Mobility scheme can be hammered out before my daughters - who were too young to vote on it - are too old to benefit from it.
Appalling that no-one under the age of 26 had a choice in the matter, while millions, who did, are six-foot under.

I don't know why the lyrics of Hotel California came to mind.

Mirrors on the ceiling, the pink champagne on ice
And she said, "We are all just prisoners here of our own device"
And in the master's chambers, they gathered for the feast
They stab it with their steely knives, but they just can't kill the beast
Last thing I remember, I was running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
"Relax, " said the night man, "We are programmed to receive
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave"

Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 18th May 2025, 3:14 PM

"We are all just prisoners here of our own device"

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A better summation of Brexit I have yet to read.
Well spotted, Goodlad!

Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 18th May 2025, 10:58 AM

You keep talking about Brexit in purely economic terms, it was NOT a purely economic decision, as is well documented. But while we're on the economy, many millions of Brits' own economies tanked due to the free movement disaster courtesy of Blair and the EU, and haven't recovered, and aren't likely to.

Blame Blair, blame the EU instead of millions of working people who'd seen their income drop, their employment prospects implode, their health suffer due to an overburdened NHS and their cost of housing and living go through the roof because of an unsustainable exponential rise in population and the labour market.

Now your Blair mark2 PM is going to start that all again tomorrow with his treasonous return to the EU, whatever the lying shyster says it isn't. I see a no confidence vote looming large if he does let more people people in, and that'll hopefully be the end for this lying, u-turning, swivelling, scheming shitehawk.

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Funnily enough, I don't blame Blair and Starmer for Brexit. I blame the small group of shysters who duped 52% of the electorate into voting against their own interests and damaged our nation forever.

I blame David Cameron , a committed remainer

It was his party politics game playing designed to once and for all shut up the euro sceptics in his own party

Game playing , with our futures, that backfired spectacularly

Then he just ran off to let others deal with the aftermath of his stupidity

Absolutely criminal

Generations to come will continue to suffer financially for his idiocy

At least Starmer has the good sense to try to lessen the harm being done to British businesses and all of us too

Remember, our trade with India is £43bn, our trade with the USA is £315bn

Our trade with the EU? £813bn

£813bn!!

Quote: lofthouse @ 18th May 2025, 4:30 PM

I blame David Cameron , a committed remainer

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No, a reluctant remainer, remember his big rejection of closer union with the EU, and him saying in the campaign that Britain will survive outside the EU which was picked up by many at the time as a boost to the leave campaign.

Quote: lofthouse @ 18th May 2025, 4:30 PM

Generations to come will continue to suffer financially for his idiocy

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Generations continue to suffer financially from being in the EU, especially from the 15 years of open door free to live and work migration. Your own leader of the time's to blame for it all.

The Coop has decided to cease trading and all business with Israel.
A bold move.
You don't split your customer base.

Sometimes you have to do what's right.

No surprise, it's run by lefty idealists, that's why it nearly went out of business a few years back.

And that brings us on nicely to this Labour Govt and what they intend to shaft their public with today. They'll soon find out they are walking into a storm with this open treachery. We voted OUT. It's giving in to a bully who'll come back for more. We have the chance to smash this rotten mafia cartel, with Trump in power, and he's taking us back in! fume steam.

Ugh!
Idealists.
And the Co-Op's politics had nothing to do with their problems ten years ago.

As for betrayal...
You voted out and we are out.
The deal Starmer has done is entirely compatible with us leaving the EU - it's a deal we could have well come up with in the negotiations, if the government hadn't been running scared of Farage and the Brexit "Spartans".

And poll after poll after poll for months now by the public fully backs having a closer relationship
with the EU

The government is doing what the majority wants to be done

So a few daily express readers will be up in arms about "cosying up to Johnny foreigner"

Boo hoo , tough tits

Labour pledged to do this in their manifesto. Hardly treachery.