#338 Papier Mache Penguin - Richard's phone is trying to make his life a lot more interesting and Richard is concerned about his stinky sweat, but luckily his guest, Isy Suttie, is socially distanced and safe. They talk about her fabulous podcast The Things We Do For Love and the crazy stuff we all do to try and get people to love us and to stop them not loving us any more, how Isy can get people to open up, even if they are giving her a smear test, throwing coins at Jason Orange, being naughty in parks and Isy's wonderful new novel Jane Is Trying. Plus, having a face made for Wallace and Gromit, vague net worths and why Isy won't be sharing a car with Jimmy Carr.

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