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Till Death Us Do Part. Alf Garnett (Warren Mitchell). Copyright: BBC.

Till Death Us Do Part

Opinionated Alf Garnett reels off a string of misinformed, bigoted, reactionary opinions each week, to the chagrin of his family

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zooo

  • Saturday 21st June 2008, 3:38am
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All my favourite things.

Except cabbage.

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AlanC

  • Saturday 21st June 2008, 3:40am [Edited]
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yeah cabbage is for rabbits - that's an absolute

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Aaron

  • Saturday 21st June 2008, 3:46am
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Quote: zooo @ June 20 2008, 11:38 PM BST

All my favourite things.

Except cabbage.


Cucumbers, eh?

(I won't ask about the lettuce.)

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AlanC

  • Saturday 21st June 2008, 3:50am
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Has anybody else noticed that Aaron's signal keeps fading these days - he only has enough power to type his messages

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zooo

  • Saturday 21st June 2008, 3:51am
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Who doesn't love a salad...!

in the shape of a penis.

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Aaron

  • Saturday 21st June 2008, 3:59am
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Weeeeell.... Whistling nnocently

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AlanC

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Quote: zooo @ June 20 2008, 11:51 PM BST

Who doesn't love a salad...!

in the shape of a penis.

I hope the salad penis comes in all different sizes? - no stereotyping now!

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Tursiops

  • Saturday 21st June 2008, 4:02am
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Quote: zooo @ June 20 2008, 11:51 PM BST

Who doesn't love a salad...!

in the shape of a penis.

You're fond of radishes then?

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Aaron

  • Saturday 21st June 2008, 4:05am
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Or a turnip. Shaped like a thingy!

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Baumski

  • Saturday 21st June 2008, 1:05pm [Edited]
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Quote: Jack Massey @ June 20 2008, 7:45 PM BST

Till Death was a very clever sitcom that really did highlight a point and was really funny, Love thy Neighbour was anything but.


'Love Thy Neighbour' was a very well defined piece of writing which showed the very worst but common attitude of its day from BOTH sides of the racial divide, with regard to the men. The women, however, were tolerant, inclusive and diverse. The men were made to look stupid, narrow-minded and always got what they deserved in the end because they were both ignorant, bigoted and racist.

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Jack Massey

  • Saturday 21st June 2008, 3:31pm
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You make a very good point Baumski, but you have to admit, Till Death us do Part is on a higher intellectual level to Love thy Neighbour.

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Baumski

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Quote: Jack Massey @ June 21 2008, 11:31 AM BST

You make a very good point Baumski, but you have to admit, Till Death us do Part is on a higher intellectual level to Love thy Neighbour.


I'm not so sure when the basic principle of both shows are so similar. For all the reasons I've written about in 'Love Thy Neighbour' apply to 'Till Death'. The women in both programmes exonerate decent values and treat bigotry with the distain it deserves. Ok, so it's a toss up as to which programme is superior and for what it’s worth, 'Till Death gets my vote but nevertheless, the basic tenet of each programme did a great service in putting racism and the characters that practiced it, both black and white, to great shame.

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AlanC

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Mind Your Language seems to have escaped this discussion - it certainly did a good job of racial stereotyping.

Baumski, I think LTN & TDUDP had quite a few followers of Eddie Booth and Alf Garnett who ignored the message and championed their catchphrases regardless.

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Aaron

  • Saturday 21st June 2008, 7:32pm
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But Mind Your Language wasn't actually racist.

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Baumski

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Quote: Alan C @ June 21 2008, 3:21 PM BST

Mind Your Language seems to have escaped this discussion - it certainly did a good job of racial stereotyping.


Perhaps but I don't believe it's any different to what Harry Enfield, Catherine Tate and Matt Lucas and David Walliams have written.

Quote: Alan C @ June 21 2008, 3:21 PM BST


I think LTN & TDUDP had quite a few followers of Eddie Booth and Alf Garnett who ignored the message and championed their catchphrases regardless.


And it's important to remember Bill Reynolds (Rudolph Walker) who spouted his equally ignorant catchphrases: "white honky" and "snowflake" or else the implication is that the only racism remembered is from white characters.