Little Britain's racist, isn't it? Page 6

Little Britain. Image shows from L to R: Matt Lucas, David Walliams. Copyright: BBC / Little Britain Productions.

Little Britain

Matt Lucas and David Walliams take a comic look at British life in this character-based sketch series

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Aaron

  • Saturday 29th March 2008, 3:18pm
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Don't think that's been done before! Sounds good, hope you get somewhere with it. :)

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T.W.

  • Saturday 29th March 2008, 3:21pm
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Quote: sootyj @ March 29, 2008, 11:15 AM

Hey I sent a sitcom to the BBC the other day, about 2 rag and bone men 9father and son) who don't get on. One of them calls the other a dirty old man alot.

Dammit, I've just finished a sitcom with exactly the same premise. My pitch is also that the guys who are going to play my characters shouldn't get on in real life. And the actor who plays the father should ideally be a gay alcoholic.

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roscoff

  • Saturday 29th March 2008, 3:41pm
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It'll never work.

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Aaron

  • Saturday 29th March 2008, 4:16pm
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A cross between Empty and Steptoe and Son. Two joking misfit-ish types working at a scrap yard. Not a bad premise!

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T.W.

  • Saturday 29th March 2008, 6:34pm
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You could always update the scrap yard motif to a recycling centre, politically more of an issue.

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sootyj

  • Saturday 29th March 2008, 7:56pm
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Quote: Griff @ March 29, 2008, 11:48 AM

This whole plagiarism area's a minefield, though, isn't it.

If I'd known about Morbo (see I've Googled it now) I wouldn't have sent that sketch into Tilt, and I wouldn't have scored my radio credit. (BTW I now have it on good authority that none of the BBC people had seen/heard of Morbo either and they're not worried about any similarities.)

So it seems the more you know about what's been done, the more difficult you make life for yourself. It's possible to worry too much about this stuff. Whatever setting and characters you choose, there's going to have been something similar done before in the millions of hours of comedy recorded since the dawn of time. As I've mentioned before, I wrote a whole sitcom episode once which turned out to be exactly like a Peep Show storyline which was broadcast a few weeks later.

So go ahead, write your rag-and-bone-men comedy. Chances are it won't be anything like Steptoe. Call them scrap merchants, or junkyard dealers, or whatever, and set it firmly in the modern day, and who knows what you might come up with. As someone else has pointed out to me, Ricky Gervais didn't hold back from writing The Office just because Colin's Sandwich had already been made.

I always say there's a finite number of good ideas in the world. Besides your skit was good, and I suspect atleast one of their crew is aware of Morbo, and it was good enough to beat the familiarity trap.

Anyway I've seen Garth Merenghi, and still submitted starpigs. If you couldn't do anything more than once then there'd be one GWB is a divvy joke ever.

My rag and bone men, actually belong to a world war 2 dad's army unit One of whom is a butcher, and another a pompous bank manager (who resents his senior cashier who went to public school). Except it's set in Russia, Vlads army.

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catskillz

  • Monday 31st March 2008, 7:03pm
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Is Marjory Doors struggling to understand the Indian woman any different than alan Partridge struggling to understand Michael the Geordie?

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Aaron

  • Monday 31st March 2008, 7:06pm
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Very good point!

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Nick

  • Monday 31st March 2008, 7:23pm
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Quote: catskillz @ March 31, 2008, 2:03 PM

Is Marjory Doors struggling to understand the Indian woman any different than alan Partridge struggling to understand Michael the Geordie?

There is a difference I think. Alan Partridge features a character who is genuinely difficult to understand and so the joke is on Michael. In Little Britain Meera is perfectly understandable so the joke is about Marjorie's idiocy. In that sense you could argue that Alan Partridge is more offensive (but I would argue that neither show is).

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Aaron

  • Monday 31st March 2008, 7:35pm
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I dunno about that. From what I've seen of Partridge (admittedly pretty little), Michael is HARDER to understand than Meera in Little Britain!

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Nick

  • Monday 31st March 2008, 11:19pm
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Quote: Aaron @ March 31, 2008, 2:35 PM

I dunno about that. From what I've seen of Partridge (admittedly pretty little), Michael is HARDER to understand than Meera in Little Britain!

That's what I wrote.

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Charley

  • Monday 31st March 2008, 11:22pm
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Little Britain is not racist at all. Jeeeez!!!
Margory Dawes is made out to be a right bitch for not understanding the indian lady. She also takes the piss out of large peeps. Seeing as she is a large lady herself it works well. She is made out to be vile so IMO it is not racist, sizeist at all.

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Aaron

  • Monday 31st March 2008, 11:29pm
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Quote: Nick @ March 31, 2008, 6:19 PM

That's what I wrote.


Read more like you were saying they're equal, but no matter! :)

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Jack Massey

  • Monday 31st March 2008, 11:35pm
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Little Britain is definetly not racist, but will be seen as racist by the next generation no doubt. I have the same opinion about Borat. For example people now see Johnny Speight sitcoms racist (Till Death us do Part/Curry & Chips). At the time these Speight sitcoms were out, it was about the time of Enoch Powell's infamous ROB speech, so he was making fun of xenophobic twits such as Powell in TDUDP (Alf Garnett) and C & C. Yet, when watching any of the shows today, people do not know the time of its original broadcast and what was happening at the time. Little Britain is a very funny show that makes fun of the racism in our society. Are by any chance the charactors of Marjorie Dawes and the woman who gets sick likeable- I think very much not.

On to Ting Tong, well many people are like Mr Dudley. For example there is a stereotypical working class in his 50's man who drinks at my local everynight. Can you imagine him. Yes he does have a mostache. Anyway he has gone to Thailand twice this year for two months a time. His excuse- you can smoke indoors over there. Rubbish, he has a woman like Ting Tong over there- it's obvious. Surely...

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KJSmyling

  • Tuesday 1st April 2008, 12:36am
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Quote: Jack Massey @ March 31, 2008, 6:35 PM

His excuse- you can smoke indoors over there. Rubbish, he has a woman like Ting Tong over there- it's obvious. Surely...

Mmmm... might not be a woman.... it might not even be an adult....

kjs