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A Horseradish

  • Tuesday 3rd March 2020, 9:43pm [Edited]
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Quote: DaButt @ 3rd March 2020, 5:51 PM

That's incorrect. It can live for several days on surfaces.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

Oh well thanks for the clarification which proves that wildly different information on every aspect is coming from different places. We should just have the BBC. I suppose we are supposed to take note of the WHO stuff more than any other but as I said in my Icke post WHO is at the very heart of the lizard race. Consequently it has more than two hands in the political reframing. Not that there is anything logical in the current application of that angle. I will comment on that a bit later.

More practically, it seems to me from what you have said - and if that WHO lizardry is to be believed - that the point I made about compulsory gloves wearing is even stronger. Why is no one telling people they must wear gloves when they go out and then wash them with washing powder every night? Best to have seven pairs of them actually. That way you don't have to worry about wearing them wet. And I still maintain that my cotton hanky thing is right. A simple thing that in the 1970s we all had and humbly kept in our pocket. What they are saying tonight is that those without a tissue should just use their sleeve which proves how barking everyone has become in recent decades, including health professionals.

As I said, a lot of this still doesn't ring true. I will confess that I found the UK Government's two senior advisers today reasonably impressive overall. In contrast, I genuinely wasn't sure what to make of Johnson but then I never am. I have done risk assessments and know that the worst case scenarios for anything are deliberately ridiculous, ie the worst case scenario for building a high speed train link to Birmingham could be written down as "NOBODY would use it as the cost of tickets would be too prohibitive" when that is clearly not the case. So, yes, I can see what they are about here, sort of.

But they claimed that they were in a phase re coronavirus of "contain and delay" with the view that the delay part will cleverly shift pressures on the NHS to the time of year when it is least under strain. This part wasn't contrived. It is how they are genuinely thinking - delay it until summer - but I doubt that it is in any way rational. My rational brain - yes there is one and it sits in me alongside all manner of madness - tells me that they would be doing "a delay thing" anyway.

For why would you not try to contain it at anytime, irrespective of the NHS loads at any time of the year, so as to effectively delay it out of existence? I mean, are they seriously saying that if they get to August and the figures are still surprisingly very low that they are going to get people to deliberately pass it on quickly? That is, so the NHS can deal with it all in September rather than during the flu season in December? I think not - unless they are even madder than I feared.

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Rood Eye

  • Wednesday 4th March 2020, 8:05am [Edited]
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Lord Winston - Labour peer, professor at Imperial College London, world-leading fertility expert and Bobby Knutt tribute act - has warned that social kissing should be avoided in our attempts to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

Tory Lord Bethell agreed but added that the real danger comes from touching our own noses - something that the average person does almost 100 times per day.

The strategy is clear: keep your nose clean and keep your mouth shut - and keep both of them away from other people.

You know it makes sense.

Also, the World Health Organisation is urging us not to say that coronavirus is being "transmitted" - because that implies blame.

They suggest saying that the virus has been "acquired" or "contracted".

I suppose it's very similar to the way that TV and radio signals are not actually being transmitted by anybody: they're simply being acquired by people who own TVs and radios.

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A Horseradish

  • Wednesday 4th March 2020, 12:58pm [Edited]
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Genesis announce a reunion tour. This is the last remote act of hippy liberalism. Touching as it were in its hopefulness but as unlikely to actually happen as the Glastonbury Festival this June. Sorry but it's goodbye Diana Ross. She will be holed up in her mansion probably somewhere in California with 100 health maids singing "Do You Know Where You're Going To".

Ah, yes, group sex in a two person tent just below Arthur's seat. When in 1969 severe so-called Victorian approaches to sex were being translated for the pleasure of Michael Winner to free love in a Woodstock field and later everywhere West, that had some traction. By 1981, not even HIV could stop it. But now the see-saw has been weighted. Soon you will get coronavirus if you bare a leg or talk about the genitals. What is most notable here is that a sensible balance was never achieved. It had to be about one side of the thing being way up in the clouds and the other fully down in the mire.

All of this serves "the Muslim dilemma" well. That how to square Islam's polarised positions now that it has a foothold within our culture. The tide cannot be reversed so the authorities require new forms of harmony to maintain our order. It has increasingly become clear that they aren't going to do things the swinging sixties way. Consequently, we will have to do things more as they want. The North Koreans aside, the safest folk so far as this virus is concerned are young people covered up in hijabs and burkas. Sadly, though, this presentational triviality is not quite what our Governments have in mind. Yes. Face masks are a form of those garments. As such, they would help in coronavirus control. However, they are also a recipe for anonymous looting and even terrorism. Hence the declaration they will make no difference to health. Similarly, there is no reference to the advisability of wearing crash helmets. It would all be too "Rebel Without a Cause".

Dominic Cummings had absolutely no role in what was manufactured in Wuhan. Nor did David Cameron's guru, Steve Hilton, who later became close to Mr Trump. But the existence of radical thinkers so near to governments and their instincts to appeal for assistance from bigger oddballs tells us just how many oddball types are influential behind the scenes of international governance. It is as implausible to believe that there aren't strategic pandemicists in the upper echelons of Global Government as to believe there were any in the national governments of Disraeli and Gladstone.

President Putin knows these things well. He always does. Today he is criticising the fake news which is seeping into his country about the extent of coronavirus there. It comes at a time when there is international pressure on him to alter the oil price. A kind of deliberate genetic mutation of economics as is suddenly deemed required. If Kim Jong-Un is the Tiny Tim of the world's leaders - the one whose "Tiptoe Through The Tulips" is about to become bigger than Jesus or even, God forbid, the Beatles - Vlad has always been the grammar school educated teddy boy. He's not all good by any means but he stands out as a pretty honest straight talker. That's in a planetary classroom containing a hologram of John Major.

The kids have no idea why it is there and care even less, not even being aware of really huge figures from the 1990s like Jarvis Cocker and the Gallaghers. But it is one of those curios from history one finds in many a place. A sort of skeleton. And no doubt if it were allowed to run riot rather than quaintly carping like a weasel it would shriek "the bastards". I'm still concerned about Diana though. She really shouldn't be touching, let alone, lying prostrate in a pseudo sexual manner on her old piano. Elvis and his pelvis, so to speak, is dead, no one is ever going to be able to turn it on again, let alone get in too deep and that kind of elderly soft pornery to the lilt of nostalgic heartstrings could set off a coronavirus chain reaction.

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A Horseradish

  • Wednesday 4th March 2020, 3:10pm [Edited]
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It was Major along with Bush Senior, Clinton and Blair who presided during the 1990s over the two most significant western countries. That is, other than Germany which was adjusting to its own reunification. From a British point of view, the two pivotal pop songs in this period were first "Don't Look Back in Anger" and then shortly afterwards "Things Can Only Get Better". The stem of that see-saw if you were. Both were ostensibly New Labour or that form of liberal Labourism which had much in common with liberal conservatism and very little connection if any with more traditional socialism.

By 1990, hip-hop was already 21 years old but its rapid promotion during this era permitted it to become a dominant form. White middle aged corporates decided it should be so. So too that there should be a re-emergence of girl and boy groups who were not so much an updated form of Bananarama and Duran Duran but more a highly sexed up retread of the Osmonds. Alongside, violent games, violent television, violent porn, violent economics, violent politics, violent attitudes towards community and long term relationships and violent approaches to food and drug intakes were all ratcheted up in the name of freedom. This was the Woodstock generation in the boardrooms and all arse about face.

Rood Eye comes close to being profound with his vulgar observation "keep your nose clean and keep your mouth shut - and keep both of them away from other people." What you have there is the key message that it is all the individual's responsibility to be virus free or his/her fault if he/she isn't. This elides very well with broader current mores which equate to a clean up from the 1990s party. You touch your face when you eat and drink. Obesity and alcohol are concerns now that the money which was made in them is outweighed by the cost of dealing with the impacts. Mobile phones became the healthy so-called radiation free alternative to the cigarette when it came to fiddling. Now they are not to be lifted to the mouth or the ear because the manner of public expression is too edgy. Ditto tablets and aggressive social media.

Gays who were always at the helm of sexual liberation in great, good and bad ways had managed to break down for everyone the ludicrous constraints around sex and sexuality while also sitting central to what became a new looseness across all orientations. Next they were offered marriage. Conservative types bemoaned the extreme liberalism of it as they saw it. Actually it was one of the most conservative bits of change it was possible for politicians ever to introduce. Suddenly long term heterosexual marriage was more popular again. Any notions of morality were not at all involved in it. Again, the costs of health impacts of sexual freedoms as perceived were absolutely paramount in that decision.

The knife and fork in the restaurant. The beer glass in the pub. The handles on doors into shops and in buses and trains, the baggage and other checks at airports, the keyboards used in businesses, all round money exchange..........it is these things which are especially problematic when it comes to virus transmission. Each is far more so than any self-touching. However, all are external to self and in some ways universal so they are therefore declared comparatively anodyne or even fairly safe. To imply otherwise is not merely to gum up the mechanics of living. It is to open the floodgates to accusations of external systems being distinctly unhelpful which not to put too fine a point on it could then run out of control.

The 1980s with its new conservative strands was selectively severe. Some thrived. Others went to hell in a handcart. The latter were little different from those in the 1950s who had experienced austerity except that in percentage terms they were fewer. 30 years earlier most were rationed. In contrast, the 1990s was intended to be the new 60s The free love and no war brigade had got older and many of them were making a mint. They wanted for their kids an updated version of their own early attempts at California. One in which this time nobody would be shot dead by cops for chomping on illicit pills, knifing people at random and burning down establishment buildings. So much for that bizarre sense of win.

But it was in truth a win win or at least it seemed so to the profiteers at the time.. On balance, they felt that there was a lot of money to be made from it, especially when it came to other people's offspring. It would take just a few years before everyone was aware of the muddle in it all. A muddle based in many respects on the confusion in outlook which occurs when compulsory national service is banned and everyone starts listening to Jimi Hendrix all along a watchtower.

Forget about phony arguments in favour of outward and inward migration based on the human right to be employed where one wants and particularly to have people where they are needed. The absolute insistence in 2020 on the scope to travel anywhere. It has its direct roots in the millions who became sick of watching the Supremes on urban TVs and took to the roads in search of illicit electric guitars. That is, on stages built half-baked under farmyard bonfires. That we are now in a new decade on that 1960s/1990s 30 year cycle makes the very idea of future travel restrictions seem impossible to take.

Consequently, we are told that you can still fly off to anywhere you like so long as their coronavirus situation is better or no worse than where you are coming from. It's obvious nonsense. The key issue is the sheer numbers that are crammed into tiny moving metal boxes. Our leaders know it. They also know that in the light of what has transpired in the last decade (of which more shortly) there now needs to be a new mechanism. One which draws together viewpoints which are not merely deeply polarised but downright contradictory in themselves. How to do it when people are too blind to see it?

The principal word here is "exposure" and clearly it arrives this year at its most overt. Icke isn't quite right. While global dominance is significant, it is hardly in the making. Most concluded a while ago that we were already there. But where we are not yet in any sense is in any revised form of values coherence. This is where it requires a power which intimidates into a new rationale. To take just one thing, coronavirus scares the Thunbergs and the Attenboroughs of this world into their own natural conclusion. It holds what they say right up to their faces like a mirror and screams "it's better to stay at home". The Shire Counties to the Amazon. Scandinavia to Bristol. Such things will cease when the rainbow warriors fear scurvy. It is not that they are the problem but when they take to donning slippers, the stags and hens will decide against Ayia Napa.

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Billy Bunter

  • Wednesday 4th March 2020, 3:11pm [Edited]
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Different European countries seem to be taking different actions. Italy is closing all schools; France has re-opened the Louvre; Switzerland is cancelling all football matches for at least three weeks; Brussels is hosting no meetings in the EU headquarters until 13 March; Teneriffe is isolating hotel guests for a further week; Lou Haigh MP for Sheffield Heeley has stopped shaking hands.

Maybe all European countries should get together for a co-ordinated response. We could form a union. Perhaps arrange some sort of trading arrangement between members...

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A Horseradish

  • Wednesday 4th March 2020, 4:46pm [Edited]
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True liberalism has its roots in localism. In many senses, localism is a form of protectionism. Liberalism has also for a long time had environmentalism at its core. Moral Chartism, the precursor in Britain to the trade union movement and in some respects British socialism, emphasised health, learning and clean living within an open air communal style support system. One strand of conservatism involves self help and self responsibility, another emphasises, flexible, imaginative entrepreneurialism and a third focusses on being frugal and making ends meet.. On paper, very little of this mix is at all oppositional. It should slot very naturally together even if in media terms it lacks profit making sensationalism.

To view such things as a desired amalgam elides well with techniques for actual virus control. Indeed, it could be said that it is an antidote to the virus of never ending warring. It also has a little something to say about Brexit. It implies that Brexit in directional terms is more right than it is wrong but not in the extent of its direction so far as our leaders' vision is concerned. In fact, they lack connective vision. It is not that internationalism should not be pursued with some vigour but rather that the greater impulse should be to drive most management to parish, neighbourhood and even street level.

By necessity, coronavirus provides an opportunity for a new localised framework for thinking and behaving. For example, I found myself asking what I intended to do about my food shopping routines. My decisions included walking to the shops rather than taking the bus, using smaller local shops which fewer people used, arriving at opening times when few people would be using them and organising myself so that the number of my visits each week were far fewer. Just in this way, the instincts and habits of routines were transformed into a more conscious sense of local place, local time, local geography and physical health which in some ways could be described as a form of localism, Of course, what also became clear was that it would be even better if I grew all my own food. There is a message here for any new political framework. Not only does it fit in with virus management but it elides with much of what those in youth movements say they would prefer.

Say is an important word here. A lot of people talk the talk. Not many walk it. With the computer, the much promised elimination of office paper never did occur. For a recent medical procedure, I received in advance 39 sheets of paper. Virtually all desk work could have been undertaken in homes 25 years ago and most meetings could have been via the internet. Hardly anything has been done in this regard. People make no sense. Employees don't want to commute. Employers don't want to pay for excessive building rents and rates. When it comes to exercise, most drive down to the local gym to pay money they don't want to pay and be with people who they don't want to be with. Little of what is available there could not be found in local streets or placed in homes. Much could be improved by less lazy thinking.

Hitherto it has been virtually forbidden to suggest that an open borders policy equates to a greater likelihood of disease. The sensitivities are directly related to the hyping up of identity politics. Immediately, the only lens through which such an assertion is perceived is one which accentuates notions of prejudice. But actually it applies to English holiday makers going abroad. It applies to all domestic travel within our own country. In fact, it applies to all movement anywhere. That is the truth of it. Imported trees are the main cause of tree disease. You can stay wholly alone in your home forever and in a so-called protective body suit but the moment that package arrives from Amazon you are in contact with others' movement. Better to wear gloves when opening it and leave it for two weeks before handling the item and disposing the envelope.

There is a reason why people choose groups or teams to support and find enemies to attack in social media. It is that they can't bring themselves to admit that the problem is people. All people including people they like. They can't bring themselves to say "I never touch my face and I have mainly stayed in my own bathroom for the past 30 years but that woman next door came up my path once and she goes off to London daily on a train. Consequently she will kill me with the virus she has acquired." Or "My elderly parents keep going off to Tesco or the old folks' club and still insist that I see them, even if it means they will murder me with coronavirus". So it is that they cheer on Spurs or rage against "the blacks" and Boris Johnson. Having no industry anymore, that is our industry and, well, who really needs gaming to enter fantasy?.

Leftists want more people on the planet to pay for social welfare. Rightists wants more people on the planet to pay for their own luxury and if that means some social welfare can also be paid for then that is an acceptable ish compromise. Liberals and environmentalists want all people to be able to move about freely though with greater attention to the means. In this, they actually part divide the connection between the numbers of people and environmental impacts. This virus sticks it to them all. It absolutely brings it home in the most literal sense that people are the problem, especially when they move in and around lots of other people. The more people there are, the more sickness there is. Fact. There is no distinction between the human and environmental organism, however much you may choose to go by coracle over jet.

This people obsession people have is the only explanation for where we are now. The global crash of 2007-8, the ever increasing distrust and disappointment in political leaders, so-called religious inspired terrorism and much more. None of it would have been tolerated for seconds if it wasn't for that phenomenon. Certainly there would also be more anger than the mere incessant mutterings we hear about this group or that group and ever increasing internationalism. Chuck the people cult aside and what you get is an "I want things done generally as I do them on my own garden steps". Rather than folk venturing every month like Livingstone to Torbay, Tallin or Timbuktu, a home was once an Englishman's castle. Now that all nationalities and genders are not only having to pull up the viral drawbridge but accepting they must settle with just observing what is in their own duck house, surely that castle's time has come again. It is not a minute too soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rQ-p0WnGd8

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DaButt

  • Wednesday 4th March 2020, 5:06pm
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Quote: Rood Eye @ 4th March 2020, 4:52 PM

I suppose it's very similar to the way that TV and radio signals are not actually being transmitted by anybody: they're simply being acquired by people who own TVs and radios.

Laughing out loud

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Rood Eye

  • Wednesday 4th March 2020, 11:00pm [Edited]
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Latest news from the Far East concerns Chinese barbers who, according to reports, are cutting hair with tools attached to the ends of 4-foot-long poles in an attempt to keep working while maintaining a bit of space between them and their customers.

All that practice with the chopsticks is finally paying off! Laughing out loud

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Rood Eye

  • Thursday 5th March 2020, 12:43pm
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From this morning's paper:

"Hopes for a coronavirus cure were raised today following reports that a patient was successfully treated using HIV and multiple sclerosis drugs in Spain.

Miguel Angel Benitez - who became the country's first case last month - is said to have made a full recovery at the Virgen del Rocio Hospital in Seville.

The 62-year-old was treated with the antiretroviral drug lopinavir-ritonavir, sold under the brand name Kaletra, which has been used on HIV patients for a decade."

So, I suppose it might be said that, when it comes to coronavirus, Kaletra aids recovery?

Do you see what I did there?

PS. It's gallows humour: please bear with me.

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Paul Wimsett

  • Thursday 5th March 2020, 2:33pm
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Quote: A Horseradish @ 4th March 2020, 4:46 PM

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Fake news! The post before is not yours. :P

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A Horseradish

  • Thursday 5th March 2020, 5:33pm [Edited]
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Quote: Paul Wimsett @ 5th March 2020, 2:33 PM

Fake news! The post before is not yours. :P

Quite right but every other part of what I said was absolutely true.

Anyhow, I'm now doing two other coronavirus projects. A four hour Wagnerian style opera purely for my own pleasure and a week of seven hour revues just for the common people as specifically requested by my local cockney music hall.

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Rood Eye

  • Thursday 5th March 2020, 5:44pm [Edited]
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Quote: A Horseradish @ 5th March 2020, 5:33 PM

other coronavirus projects . . . revues just for the common people as specifically requested by my local cockney music hall.

My old man said "Please wash yer 'ands
and don't go around pickin' yer beak."

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A Horseradish

  • Thursday 5th March 2020, 6:43pm [Edited]
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Quote: Rood Eye @ 5th March 2020, 5:44 PM

My old man said "Please wash yer 'ands
and never, ever, ever pick yer beak."

Yes, not dissimilar lines.

Is yours a symphonic opera too?

ENTRANCE

A wailing woman walks in with a group of people laughing at her from a 6 foot distance.

Suddenly the happy crowd bursts into colourful song.

SONATA-ALLEGRO

Touch yer toes, pick yer nose, scratch yer ear and down a beer,
If you feel a little queer, then you 'ave the coronavirus
Ooh look at 'er, what of him, with their gobs in a bucket of gin,
They are taking it on the chin that they have the coronavirus

ANDANTE

Solo woman:

Ooh, ooh, ooh, there are no toilet rolls in Tescos
Or in Aldi, Lidl, or Waitrose
I can't even fly to Gran Canaria

Ooh, ooh, ooh, I have no face mask
And drink just from my own flask
I long for Costa coffee and malaria

MINUET AND TRIO

Woman with her male lover:

(Translated from the original German)

Wash your hands you old git, I have you arse
I could have been someone

Well so could anyone
Before I punched yer teeth in,

And now you've lost yer job at the dentists
Plus you are in an isolation ward.

So you think you can stone me and spit in my eye
So you think you can love me and leave me to die
Oh baby. Can't do this to me baby
Just gotta get out. Just gotta get right outta here

RONDO

The happy crowd appears again.

They haven't been at the Millwall. It is has been closed down.

Still, they are in good spirits, having been on a diversity awareness course..

Whoah-oh the hokey cokey
It's better to be jokey
Have a fumble, mustn't grumble
If yer girly or yer blokey

Blacks in, whites out.
Ra ra ra.

Solo woman and her male lover again.

Happy birthday to you.
Squashed tomatoes and stew.
Wash me hands, wash me hands again,
Happy birthday to you.

Call: You should've said that twice.

Response: Sod off.

GRAND FINALE

Three hours, 45 minutes of dull, meandering, orchestral stuff, before the male lover appears for one last time.

I've been alone with you inside my mind
And in my dreams I've kissed your lips a thousand times
I sometimes see you pass outside my door
Hello, is it me you're looking for?

I can see it in your eyes
I can see it in your smile
You're all I've ever wanted, and my arms are open wide
'Cause you know just what to say
And you know just what to do
And I want to tell you so much, I love you

(Pause)

(Drumroll)

(Bugles)

(The crowd opens its arms to do jazz hands)

Composer's note : This shall lead to a gigantic choral crescendo:

Ring a ring a roses
A pocket full of woeses
The one thing that life shows is
We all fall down the loo.

So plebs turn off your wireless
You know what can inspire us
It's called the coronavirus
A tishoo and toodle-oo.

(Optional : Greenwich time pips)

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Rood Eye

  • Thursday 5th March 2020, 7:10pm [Edited]
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Now here's a little story:
it's one that you'll believe
about some poor old bastard
who today can hardly breathe.

Some people say he fakes it.
Some say he makes a meal.
My old man don't care much:
he knows it's flipping real.

Oh, my old man's a goner.
He's lying at death's door.
He's got coronavirus
And it's giving him what for.

He's struggling to breathe now.
His lungs are packing in.
He's got such a job to make 'em work
and they make a proper din.

Some say he had it coming
cos of the life he chose:
he never ever washed his hands
and he always picked his nose.

Et cetera, et cetera et cetera

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A Horseradish

  • Thursday 5th March 2020, 7:13pm [Edited]
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Quote: Rood Eye @ 5th March 2020, 7:10 PM

Now here's a little story:
it's one that you'll believe
about some poor old bastard
who today can hardly breathe.

Some people say he fakes it.
Some say he makes a meal.
My old man don't care much:
he knows it's flipping real.

Oh, my old man's a goner.
He's lying at death's door.
He's got coronavirus
And it's giving him what for.

He's struggling to breathe now.
His lungs are packing in.
He's got such a job to make 'em work
and they make a proper din.

Some say he had it coming
cos of the life he chose:
he never ever washed his hands
and he always picked his nose.

Et cetera, et cetera et cetera

Yeah, well.

It's cool but it reminds me a bit of "My Old Man's a Dustman".

Whereas mine is totally original and it is all in my own words.