Jo Brand in acid-throwing controversy. Page 4

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Chappers

  • Monday 17th June 2019, 8:55pm
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The thing is I don't think there is one comedian who is not left-wing and intolerant of any opposite views to their right-on stance.

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Paul Wimsett

  • Monday 17th June 2019, 9:05pm
  • Folkestone, United Kingdom
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Nothing is right-on, Chaps. It's all different types of personality.

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Rood Eye

  • Monday 17th June 2019, 9:14pm [Edited]
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Quote: Chappers @ 17th June 2019, 8:55 PM

The thing is I don't think there is one comedian who is not left-wing and intolerant of any opposite views to their right-on stance.

There's always good old Jim Davidson, of course, but as you say the vast majority of comedians in Britain are exactly like Jo Brand - seriously left-wing and seriously intolerant of anybody who isn't similarly left-wing.

You show Jo Brand or any of her ilk a person who isn't left-wing and they immediately think about dousing the poor sod in battery acid!

It may be that some of Britain's comedians only pretending to be left-wing. The problem for the vast majority of comedians is that they're either working on TV or wanting to work on TV and the only way any comedian ever gets to work on TV these days is to be left-wing.

"Here's a funny thing, ladies and gentlemen. Just outside Dewsbury in West Yorkshire, there's a place called Savile Town. It's got a population of just over 4000 and do you know how many of those people are white? 40! That's right, bloody 40! That's 1%! And Londoners think they've got it bad with a white population of 45%! They don't know when they're well off! At least their road signs are still in f**king English!"

You try opening with that one on Live at the Apollo! Laughing out loud

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Firkin

  • Tuesday 18th June 2019, 7:37am [Edited]
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Quote: Chappers @ 17th June 2019, 8:55 PM

I don't think there is one comedian who is not left-wing and intolerant of any opposite views.

Geoff Norcott, Nicholas de Santo, Jim Davidson, Bernard Manning are all right wing comedians. Jeremy Clarkson, A.A. Gill and Boris Johnson are right wing humorists.

There is a big difference to being intolerant and pocking fun at. Here's an article about how American comedians have become more conservative. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/15/trump-comedy-political-satire-daily-show-stewart-colbert-bee-227151 The issue is we've become more polarised, we're complaining about everything ,even jokes. Apparently because people aren't all watching the same programs at the same time, because we can surround ourselves with just our own message from our own tribe, we have become more tribal and less tolerant of other peoples opinions. Brexit and Scottish independence being case in point.

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Tursiops

  • Tuesday 18th June 2019, 12:17pm [Edited]
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Quote: Chappers @ 13th June 2019, 10:47 PM

Is it? As Rood says I can see some nutters will take her advice.

If they do it will be as a result of the manufactured outrage, rather than because they listened to a Radio 4 panel game.

Quote: Rood Eye @ 17th June 2019, 9:14 PM

The problem for the vast majority of comedians is that they're either working on TV or wanting to work on TV and the only way any comedian ever gets to work on TV these days is to be left-wing.

The News Quiz 'token right winger' Hugo Rifkind addressed this on Feedback, from 20 mins in:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0005tq2

"Right-wing comedy is really hard. It's really hard to make a right-wing joke. Most of them aren't very funny."

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Doniedaff

  • Tuesday 18th June 2019, 12:31pm
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Quote: Chappers @ 17th June 2019, 8:55 PM

The thing is I don't think there is one comedian who is not left-wing and intolerant of any opposite views to their right-on stance.

Not sure I agree with that to be honest. A number of right wing comedians were given to you there and I would add Simon Evans to that list. Simon in fact is extremely likeable as well as one of my favourite comedians. Funny is funny and cordial is cordial, I don't think the left wing right wing thing is as important in stand up as people think. I'm probably about as far left as you could get and I never ask another comedian their politics. All I will say is that given the nature of modern comedy, it would be strange if there weren't more left wing than right wing comedians. I would also differentiate between PC and left-wing. Traditional hard left types are almost as likely to fall foul of the PC brigade as right wingers in my humble opinion. I'm Irish, so not talking to people in the UK every day but if you don't believe me, try being a socialist who despises the European Union like me and see how long it takes before the EU cheerleaders who nominally describe themselves as left wing, turn against you :)

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Rood Eye

  • Tuesday 18th June 2019, 1:51pm [Edited]
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I think the essence of left-wing comedy is making fun of the rich and powerful and I'm all for that sort of stuff.

On that basis, however, the essence of right-wing comedy must be making fun of the poor and powerless - and you're going to have to work very hard to get laughs with that sort of material unless you're performing to a room full of complete and utter bastards.

The essence of both types of comedy should, however, be the making of fun - and not the spewing of bile which is what happened, I think, with Jo Brand's "acid" remark.

It was funny but I did detect a little bit of ill-concealed hatred for the targets of her joke.

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Firkin

  • Tuesday 18th June 2019, 5:34pm
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That was the look of Heresy you saw Rood. Jo was speaking figuratively, about how she yearns for Farage's acid tongue. They do have similar faces and Jo is a trained psychiatric nurse and many think Farage needs one. Match made in heaven. Well it's that or maybe what you said.

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Paul Wimsett

  • Tuesday 18th June 2019, 8:38pm
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Some excellent comments of the Royals in the new episode.

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chipolata

  • Tuesday 18th June 2019, 9:22pm
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Just like the devil has all the best tunes, for the most part liberals have all the best artists.

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Rood Eye

  • Wednesday 19th June 2019, 11:05am
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As Jo Brand's remarks were clearly aimed at Nigel Farage (among others), readers may be interested to learn that the man who threw the milkshake over Nigel has today been ordered to pay him £350 compensation and to do 150 hours of unpaid work.

Many people might think that's a small price to pay to become a hero to millions.

If I were a gambler, I'd be prepared to bet 50p that the milkshake chucker appears on Jimmy Carr's "Big Fat Quiz of the Year" as the mystery guest whose newsworthiness in 2019 has to be guessed by the panel.

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Firkin

  • Wednesday 19th June 2019, 11:47am [Edited]
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Quote: Rood Eye @ 19th June 2019, 11:05 AM

threw the milkshake ........150 hours of unpaid work.

McDonald's keeps finding ways around the minimum wage.

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Hercules Grytpype Thynne

  • Wednesday 19th June 2019, 12:29pm
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Quote: Rood Eye @ 19th June 2019, 11:05 AM

As Jo Brand's remarks were clearly aimed at Nigel Farage (among others), readers may be interested to learn that the man who threw the milkshake over Nigel has today been ordered to pay him £350 compensation and to do 150 hours of unpaid work.

Many people might think that's a small price to pay to become a hero to millions.

And more importantly, which you have missed out, not only lost his job but now has a criminal record. I'd say that was a BIG price to pay and I understand that he is now naturally full of remorse.

What a f**king shame.

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Chappers

  • Thursday 20th June 2019, 9:50pm
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Quote: Hercules Grytpype Thynne @ 19th June 2019, 12:29 PM

And more importantly, which you have missed out, not only lost his job but now has a criminal record. I'd say that was a BIG price to pay and I understand that he is now naturally full of remorse.

What a f**king shame.

Poor bloke. Just imagine....Laughing out loud

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Definitely Tarby

  • Thursday 20th June 2019, 10:00pm
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I saw Jo Brand on an episode of 8 Out Of 10 Cats earlier this week and I can't remember her exact words but when the discussion turned to Miley Cyrus she said something along the lines of how much she wanted to cause her physical pain. Despite her comments not being funny and her not giving a wry smile or cheeky wink to show she was having a laff everyone bursts in to laughter.

I doubt Jo has ever met Miley so I ask myself not just why she despises someone she has never met but why that is considered funny when she shares that hatred. A lot of celebrities are annoying but I don't hate anyone and it would be unhealthy if I did. Piers Morgan is the obvious example of a bellend but that doesn't mean I want to see him come to harm. Jo is a nasty piece of work.