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Yes Minister. James Hacker (Paul Eddington). Copyright: BBC.

Yes Minister

Political satire in which well-meaning MP Jim Hacker has a fast introduction to the world of Whitehall and must then struggle against the Civil Service

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TonyT

  • Thursday 14th January 2016, 1:55pm
  • Barnsley, England
  • 142 posts

I went to see this re-make when it was in the West End a few years ago, and at the time I remember thinking it would be excellent to see it on television.

I still think it was, and unusually for me, I liked the new version, but I feel it worked better on the stage. Splitting one evening across six or so episodes was the bit that let the television version down IMO.

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Natalie Salat

  • Tuesday 1st March 2016, 4:13am
  • Tasmania, Australia
  • 32 posts

I always though Sir Arnold was worse than Sir Humphrey when it came to the "evil" stakes.

Anyone else think that?

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Gordon Bennett

  • Tuesday 1st March 2016, 1:26pm
  • Basel, Switzerland
  • 19,199 posts
Quote: Natalie Salat @ 1st March 2016, 4:13 AM GMT

I always though Sir Arnold was worse than Sir Humphrey when it came to the "evil" stakes.

Anyone else think that?

Yep. I posted his name in the Most Despicable Sitcom Characters - thread.

Humphrey was always likable despite his actions and views because he had charm and humour. Sir Arnold on the other hand was like a ruthless Mafia Don...ice cold.

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Natalie Salat

  • Wednesday 3rd January 2018, 1:26am
  • Tasmania, Australia
  • 32 posts

Yes Minister still feels very current. Just my opinion.

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Wheel

  • Saturday 6th April 2019, 3:48pm
  • Wakefield, England
  • 376 posts

I finished the first series of Yes Minister and it is indeed excellent. I love it, even though I'm not a politics person, I find this fantastic. I love the characters and Sir Humphrey has to be my favourite character, where he manipulates Hacker and he is quite a pompous arrogant and likes to point out his education against Hacker's. I believe that Humphrey's character likes to think that he knows what's best for the country, but really knows what's better for himself and Hacker knows what is best for Britain, probably to get reelected again.

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Rood Eye

  • Saturday 6th April 2019, 4:00pm [Edited]
  • England
  • 4,103 posts
Quote: Wheel @ 6th April 2019, 3:48 PM

he is quite a pompous arrogant and likes to point out his education against Hacker's.

Sir Humphrey and Hacker were miles apart socially, educationally and intellectually. Nevertheless, I'm quite sure Sir Humphrey felt similarly detached from the vast majority of our representatives in the House of Commons. I have a feeling he thought Hacker "not a bad chap" as inferiors go. It was therefore entirely possible for the two of them to get along effectively and amiably on a daily basis.

Tolerance of society's lower orders can only be stretched so far, however, and I dread to imagine what Sir Humphrey would think of some of the creatures that are being elected to Parliament these days. Laughing out loud

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Alfred J Kipper

  • Monday 6th May 2019, 11:35am
  • Aldershot, England
  • 6,271 posts

Have we just seen a classic case of Sir Humphrey type snobbery and power mongering in the snaring of Gavin Williamson?

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Hercules Grytpype Thynne

  • Monday 6th May 2019, 11:38am
  • England
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Dunno...........never watched the programme. Odd glimpses I saw of it I thought were clich├ęd and boring.

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Teddy Paddalack

  • Monday 6th May 2019, 3:25pm
  • Everton, England
  • 3,190 posts

No Williamson is the architect of his own downfall and the only sad factor being that he actually managed to achieve such heights in the first instance'
The nearest thing to it is the 'Man overboard' Episode but that was Yes Prime Minister .

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Aaron

  • Monday 6th May 2019, 5:23pm
  • Royal Berkshire, England
  • 68,713 posts
Quote: Alfred J Kipper @ 6th May 2019, 11:35 AM

Have we just seen a classic case of Sir Humphrey type snobbery and power mongering in the snaring of Gavin Williamson?

I think the civil service has become infinitely worse since the early 1980s.

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Teddy Paddalack

  • Monday 6th May 2019, 5:35pm
  • Everton, England
  • 3,190 posts

And rightly so as politicians will do anything to survive till the next Friday whilst the Civil Service are there to make sure we survive fr the next hundred years.

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Alfred J Kipper

  • Sunday 12th May 2019, 9:11am [Edited]
  • Aldershot, England
  • 6,271 posts

Yes Brexit has shown them to be at their conniving worst, bunch of f**king traitors out to preserve their own interests. They should face elections like the MPs but that's why they choose the jobs they do, knowing they're safe and can get off with the snidest treachery hidden away from public view. Think I'll write a sitcom called The Sick Of IT.

TTOI btw is nowhere near as good as YM, don't listen to those experts in getting it wrong. I only saw one ep of it but couldn't bear another of the smugly smartarse Iannucci patter. Sick

Off-topic post by Alfred J Kipper on Sun 12th May 2019, 09:27
Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ 6th May 2019, 3:25 PM

No Williamson is the architect of his own downfall and the only sad factor being that he actually managed to achieve such heights in the first instance'
The nearest thing to it is the 'Man overboard' Episode but that was Yes Prime Minister .

Disagree entirely on that, ask The Army and they will tell you he's the first Minister who started to give them what they badly need. Also think he was a victim of the Alpha bullies who didn't like his unconventional language or maverick approach. The guy didn't come from their class stock and as such used his own unconventional ways of getting things across. That's why they got rid of him. I thought it was great to see a young Minister not set like concrete in the establishment mould.

Off-topic post by Teddy Paddalack on Sun 12th May 2019, 10:20

He kept a tarantula on his desk and was the Chief Whip and you don't give amiable people that position as it requires the ability to coerce and intimidate your fellow MP's.
The office he took and the actions he took would have been the same if he was given another post, its about him. Anyone can push their department and grab the headlines in order to get nearer to the big chair. But once you're in it you realize that single agendas are only good for climbing up. Because once you get there it dawns on you that you have to consider the effects on other departments.

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Natalie Salat

  • Sunday 26th May 2019, 6:08am
  • Tasmania, Australia
  • 32 posts

My childhood was the late Cold War of "Yes Minister" and it's hard for young people to appreciate how scary that was.

Paul Eddington himself insisted on a script re-write when the one he was given didn't give the threat of nuclear war an appropriate weight.

Without getting into modern-day issues, I wouldn't mind Hacker's alternate 1980s Britain being teleported to our world now, just to see how Jim and Humphrey and Bernard and their lot would deal with our world.