Right cast, right writer, just plain wrong!

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Tim Azure

  • Tuesday 14th May 2013, 12:30pm [Edited]
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Can you think of examples of bad movies or progs which seemed to have a brilliant cast and a brilliant scriptwriter (or was the adaption of a brilliant book)?

Examples could be The Magic Christian starring Peter Sellers and written by John Cleese, just too psychedelic; Piccadilly Jim whose cast featured Hugh Bonneville and was written by Julian Fellowes; on the small screen you had The Royal Bodyguard with David Jason and Geoffrey Whitehead, written by the same bod who did The Worst Week Of My Life.

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George Kaplan

  • Tuesday 14th May 2013, 1:31pm
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I love the Coen brothers to bits, and their strike rate is amazing, but for me, both THE LADYKILLERS and INTOLERABLE CRUELTY fall into this category by their ridiculously high standards. (Though, to be pedantic, I'd categorise them as "forgettable" movies, rather than "bad".)

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George Kaplan

  • Thursday 16th May 2013, 1:23am
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Another exhibit for your collection:

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Maybe this topic would get more of a response over at the "Writers' Discussion" Forum? Or maybe not?

Also, the main screenwriting credits on THE MAGIC CHRISTIAN were allotted to Terry Southern & Joseph McGrath. Cleese & Graham Chapman (and Peter Sellers) were given less substantial "additional material" credits. But then Terry Southern co-wrote the incredible DR. STANGELOVE, which reinforces your point - that even brilliant writers (and actors) are fallible, or at least are no guarantee of a great programme/movie, sometimes due to "circumstances beyond their control".

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italophile

  • Thursday 16th May 2013, 8:00am
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Quote: Tim Azure @ May 14 2013, 12:30 PM BST

Can you think of examples of bad movies or progs which seemed to have a brilliant cast and a brilliant scriptwriter (or was the adaption of a brilliant book)?

Examples could be The Magic Christian starring Peter Sellers and written by John Cleese,


The film actually had almost a cricket team of writers which probably explains the mess it was. Terry Southern was one of the original writers. Cleese, Graham Chapman and even Peter Sellers had "additional material" credits. A situation that usually points to a car crash.

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Tursiops

  • Thursday 16th May 2013, 9:58pm [Edited]
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Quote: Tim Azure @ May 16 2013, 8:08 AM BST

Like The Meaning of Life? Certainly their weakest offering.


I rather like it. Yellowbeard however seems to meet the criteria for the thread.

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David Smith

  • Thursday 16th May 2013, 9:59pm [Edited]
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Carry On Emmannuelle.

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Matthew Stott

  • Friday 17th May 2013, 9:27am [Edited]
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Quote: Tim Azure @ May 17 2013, 9:22 AM BST

Were they ever together?


Yes, in the fun film that was just mentioned.

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dannyjb1

  • Friday 17th May 2013, 11:45am [Edited]
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Quote: chipolata @ May 17 2013, 10:41 AM BST

Your splitting hairs. It had Michael Cera. And Aubrey Plaza.

It failed at the box office


Sadly true!

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and was mauled critically.


Sadly not true, majority of critic reviews positive, even to the point it was up for several awards at multiple different ceremonies

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I'm sure a few liked it, but by any yardstick it was a failure


Again not true financially maybe, but seem to remember (and maybe wrong) it broke even.

Quote: chipolata @ May 17 2013, 10:41 AM BST

that should have been better when you consider the talent involved.


This even I can't dispute :)

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dannyjb1

  • Friday 17th May 2013, 2:54pm
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Quote: chipolata @ May 17 2013, 2:36 PM BST Laughing out loud

Is Scott Pilgrim vs The World your mom? And nice of you to point out my spelling mistake not once but four times. Churlish, you? (Although I seem to remember last time you stalked the boards with any regularity you were busy bullying a vulnerable female member, so I got off lighty!).


LOL ignoring the uncalled for accusation, I can apologise if you think I was being churlish, to be honest it is more a reflection of my poor copying and pasting skills, and you give me more credit than I can claim for even spotting the grammar \ spelling mistake. I am useless at grammar as no doubt the above paragraph proves in many cases.

I'll change it though if you feel I have caused offence.

And the weirdest thing is, I think it's only an okay film :D

Just when lurking my brain did a "you know what, I though the critics loved it".

As you were .

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Ian Wolf

  • Sunday 26th May 2013, 9:09am
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Quote: Tim Azure @ May 16 2013, 8:08 AM BST

Like The Meaning of Life? Certainly their weakest offering.

I'd rather hear from people who aren't writers like me. Us scribblers can be very bitter...


I would argue that And Now For Something Completely Different would be the worst Python film because that just consisted of sketches from the TV series. In The Meaning of Life there are some weak points, but there others which are great like Mr. Creosote.

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Pingl

  • Sunday 26th May 2013, 12:31pm [Edited]
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Marty Feldman's The Last Remake of Beau Gueste, a cast that makes your eyes water, Spike Milligan, Peter Ustinov, Terry-Thomas etc and written by Feldman one of comedy's true geniuses. But it doesn't quite work, although I am fond of it. It may have something to do with the fact the studio butchered it in Feldman's absence.

Others include Peter Cook and Dudley Moore's Hound of the Baskervilles and most of Mel Brooks's stuff post High Anxiety, such as History of the World and Spaceballs.

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DougWonnacott

  • Monday 27th May 2013, 1:36pm [Edited]
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Life's Too Short. Divides opinion. I haven't liked many of Gervais's solo projects, but I have liked all his joint efforts with Merchant to one degree or another, except for this one.