The general pop/rock - music thread Page 178

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lofthouse

  • Sunday 10th February 2019, 2:45pm
  • Nowhere, England
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Barnie can't sing live for toffee

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Michael Monkhouse

  • Monday 11th February 2019, 11:52am
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That sentence also works without the word 'live'. I enjoy New Order, but even in my fan period I couldn't fathom the hyperbole.

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Teddy Paddalack

  • Monday 11th February 2019, 12:20pm
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I don't think they had that much Micheal , they were just very good at what they did,

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Michael Monkhouse

  • Tuesday 12th February 2019, 7:39pm
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They were massively overrated: 'The most important band since the Beatles / Stones... They've dominated the charts like no others... They changed the course of popular music..'. Huh? My personal favourite was 'Electronic is one of the greatest albums ever made.'

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lofthouse

  • Tuesday 12th February 2019, 8:52pm
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Without the legacy of Joy Division they probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere

They did some goodies though - blue Monday and true faith etc

Too disco-ey for me though

Always sounded much better when they rock things up a bit and Hookys base is damn cool

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Teddy Paddalack

  • Tuesday 12th February 2019, 10:04pm
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I rate and like more Manchester bands than Liverpool ones from 10cc to the Stone Roses New Order, the Smiths to Magazine. The thing for me about New Order was that they were never too far ahead but never behind they just hit the mood of the time perfectly right down to Three Lions which is one hell of a leap from New Dawn Fades.
By the way make no mistake about the influence of 10cc on the Manchester sound as Strawberry Studios were as influential as Tony Wilson and his label .
Sheffield and Glasgow have had a good go at shaping the English sound as well and for me the West Midlands is the home of hard/ heavy rock and an absolute pool of talent in the genre.

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Billy Bunter

  • Tuesday 12th February 2019, 11:16pm
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Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ 12th February 2019, 10:04 PM

I rate and like more Manchester bands than Liverpool ones from 10cc to the Stone Roses New Order, the Smiths to Magazine.

The Hollies and Freddie & the Dreamers

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Teddy Paddalack

  • Wednesday 13th February 2019, 7:56am
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I don't really remember much about the Hollies or Freddy and the Dreamers apart from the odd single. But like everything if they evoke the memories of you era then they work for you.

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Michael Monkhouse

  • Thursday 14th February 2019, 1:42pm [Edited]
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It amazes me that even now, every New Order comment brings up Joy Division. I can't imagine Hooky being grilled on his six years in Freebass, or Revenge's ''''''''''classic'''''''''' first and last album. I'd like to think it tells you something about JD, but I suspect it tells you more about NO. Recently there was a poll to find their best 20 sings, and it was surprisingly difficult, especially when you consider I used to be a megafan, and they've never definitively split over nearly 40 years. I'm far less on top of the Beatles, but I could probably reel off 20 from one year alone.
New Order are fine, but the fascination was more Stance than Substance (see what I etc). The cult of Factory, Tony Wilson, Joy Division, the Hassie and Dry Bar, even the artwork and enigmatic song titles... Strip it all away and there's relatively little in terms of both quality and quantity. The most influential band since the Beatles, eh?

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Michael Monkhouse

  • Monday 25th February 2019, 12:11pm
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What's the difference between 80s vinyl and today's vinyl? 50 quid.

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Chappers

  • Thursday 28th February 2019, 10:45pm
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Since Gary Glitter, Rolf Harris and Jonathan King have been found guilty of paedophilia you never hear their music on the radio.

What will happen when Michael Jackson gets proven to have done the same? Will they stop playing his music?

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A Horseradish

  • Thursday 28th February 2019, 11:19pm [Edited]
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Michael Jackson is fine up to and including Off The Wall because he was a child and/or relatively normal then. Coincidentally, he was also brilliant at that time and immediately afterwards he was rubbish. So no one will miss any of the great stuff by making this distinction. You are not quite right about Glitter. Sadly, United DJs Radio is playing Rock n Roll Part 2 in its trailer for United DJs of Canada, whatever that is, Disappointing given Kid Jensen's establishment links with the Masons. And it also featured in Shaun Tilley's chart programme on BBC Surrey one very early Sat morning, at least as a spoken reference, when presumably he thought the execs would be asleep.

Now then, I have only just discovered a blues club one mile from me and I went for the first time on Tue.

Ostensibly, it was for this bloke who was very good indeed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLGgLUTg65o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svPC7GeLnl0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SemgAlec6o

But the warm up act was this woman and she was gobsmackingly brilliant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzHQVDYbbTs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHcG7ZArloM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtHS-o2aeTM

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Rood Eye

  • Friday 1st March 2019, 12:39am [Edited]
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Quote: Chappers @ 28th February 2019, 10:45 PM

Since Gary Glitter, Rolf Harris and Jonathan King have been found guilty of paedophilia you never hear their music on the radio.

What will happen when Michael Jackson gets proven to have done the same? Will they stop playing his music?

A couple of interesting legal points here: every legal and medical authority in the world describes paedophilia as a sexual interest in prepubescent children. Rolf Harris and Jonathan King have no convictions involving prepubescent children. Rolf was convicted of activities involving an eight-year-old but that conviction was overturned on appeal when the main witness for the prosecution was revealed to be a liar of legendary proportions. On that basis, neither Rolf nor Jonathan can reasonably be described as a paedophile.

Because Michael Jackson is dead, he cannot be convicted posthumously of any criminal offence no matter how many witnesses come forward telling no matter how many believable stories.

As with everything else in life, at the end of the day, it's money that will talk. No radio station has ever lost a listener by refusing to play music by Gary, Rolf or Jonathan. However, to remove Michael Jackson from the playlist is a very very different thing.

I think big business is going to take a relatively lenient view of Michael's alleged transgressions.

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Teddy Paddalack

  • Friday 1st March 2019, 2:13pm
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Perhaps this hastily created new rule of thumb may help?
Anything he did with glove(s) on is out!

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Rood Eye

  • Friday 1st March 2019, 2:17pm [Edited]
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Quote: Teddy Paddalack @ 1st March 2019, 2:13 PM

Perhaps this hastily created new rule of thumb may help?
Anything he did with glove(s) on is out!

Glove?

Rule of thumb?

I see what you did there! :D