Cardinal Burns - Series 1 Page 3

Cardinal Burns. Image shows from L to R: Dustin Demri-Burns, Seb Cardinal. Copyright: Left Bank Pictures.

Cardinal Burns

E4 sketch comedy show created by Seb Cardinal and Dustin Demri-Burns

Off-topic post by Ben on Thu 10th May 2012, 17:15
Quote: sootyj @ May 10 2012, 5:07 PM BST

It would be more accurate to say you attacked me.

I've barely tickled your fanny. As they say in the states.

Off-topic post by sootyj on Thu 10th May 2012, 17:16

Not for want of trying. As they say everywhere.

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Renegade Carpark

  • Friday 11th May 2012, 11:21am [Edited]
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Quote: sootyj @ May 9 2012, 9:42 PM BST

e.g. the hawk sketch live on stage would be great some guy imitating troilism with birds and mugging etc that'd be funny if it's right on your face. But not so much on the stage.


Here is the offending contradiction. You said it would work well on the stage just before saying it wouldn't.

But it does bring up the question of whether live comedy acts translate well to television and the validity of the Edinburgh Comedy Fringe for finding new talent. The guy who does the living statue in Covent Garden is great in real life but would make a piss poor television show.

According to Bussell earlier in this thread, Cardinal Burns have a dynamite live act, but poncying about on stage in front of a group of drunken trendies, you know, the kind of idiots that laugh at meerkat insurance adverts when they're shown at the cinema before a film, is a completely different discipline from crafting a half hour, fast moving, television show.

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Matthew Stott

  • Friday 11th May 2012, 11:26am
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Quote: Renegade Carpark @ May 11 2012, 11:21 AM BST

But it does bring up the question of whether live comedy acts translate well to television


Obviously they don't, as 'The League Of Gentlemen' was awful when it made its way to TV.*

*That's a lie.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ May 11 2012, 11:21 AM BST

poncying about on stage in front of a group of drunken trendies, you know, the kind of idiots that laugh at meerkat insurance adverts


People who watch and enjoy live comedy = idiots..? Teary

Quote: sootyj @ May 10 2012, 4:52 PM BST

Why are you defending this moribund show?


People are allowed to enoy a show, or bits of it, that someone else doesn't.

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sootyj

  • Friday 11th May 2012, 11:26am
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No but they made loads of changes to really craft the TV version

Morcambe and Wise famously initially translated badly initially

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Matthew Stott

  • Friday 11th May 2012, 11:28am [Edited]
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Quote: sootyj @ May 11 2012, 11:26 AM BST

No but they made loads of changes to really craft the TV version


Sure, but that wasn't the question. Obviously most people change their approach a bit when they move from the stage to TV, or radio. Sometimes it doesn't work, sometimes it does.

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Renegade Carpark

  • Friday 11th May 2012, 11:40am
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Quote: Matthew Stott @ May 11 2012, 11:26 AM BST

Obviously they don't, as 'The League Of Gentlemen' was awful when it made its way to TV.*

*That's a lie.


Topical!

But The League of Gentlemen and similarly The Mighty Boosh had a chance to refine their acts on radio - a discipline that relies totally on the written word - oh and unlike Cardinal Burns, they were both mentored by the BBC.

E4 on the otherhand - https://www.comedy.co.uk/guide/channel/e4/ - have gone to almost paedophillic lengths to attract kids and are just throwing out any old garbage to try and lure them to their sordid channel. It says something when even the clueless twunts at BBC 3 have a stronger and more creative output.

Quote: Matthew Stott @ May 11 2012, 11:26 AM BST

People who watch and enjoy live comedy = idiots..? Teary


Not all of them, just 99% of them.

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Aaron

  • Friday 11th May 2012, 11:57am [Edited]
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Quote: sootyj @ May 11 2012, 11:26 AM BST

Morcambe and Wise famously initially translated badly initially


Incorrect. Morecambe (E! TWO Es!) and Wise's first TV show failed specifically because they were written for, with a different style and set of material to their stage act. When they were allowed to star in a series that was built upon their live act and personas, it was almost an instant hit.

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Matthew Stott

  • Friday 11th May 2012, 12:23pm
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Quote: Renegade Carpark @ May 11 2012, 11:40 AM BST


But The League of Gentlemen and similarly The Mighty Boosh had a chance to refine their acts on radio


So there's your answer; yes, live acts can (and obviously many have) translate well to TV; but it can depend how they develop for that different medium.

Quote: Renegade Carpark @ May 11 2012, 11:40 AM BST


Not all of them, just 99% of them.

Rolling eyes

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Matthew Stott

  • Sunday 13th May 2012, 2:20pm
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Watched the rest of this. Thought it was a pretty good first episode myself.

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catskillz

  • Sunday 13th May 2012, 6:00pm [Edited]
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What was that last sketch all about, apart, maybe, from the characters having funny voices?

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Matthew Stott

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Quote: catskillz @ May 13 2012, 6:00 PM BST

What was that last sketch all about, apart, maybe, from the characters having funny voices?


A stupid bullshitter bullshitting to someone even stupider. Sort of in the Pete and Dud tradition.

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Jinky

  • Monday 14th May 2012, 11:37am [Edited]
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Stewart Lee's wife is in this.

If, like her husband, she spends all her available free time searching the internet for comments about herself, then I'd just like to say "Hello. Nice to see you on television and hopefully your career will go on to blossom after this crappy little sketch show is long forgotten".

(By the way, you'd increase your chances of being called by your real name and not 'Stewart Lee's wife' if you at least met the public half-way and started calling yourself Bridget Lee instead of Bridget Christie)

Off-topic post by David Bussell on Mon 14th May 2012, 11:46
Quote: Jinky @ May 14 2012, 11:37 AM BST

(By the way, you'd increase your chances of being called by your real name and not 'Stewart Lee's wife' if you at least met the public half-way and started calling yourself Bridget Lee instead of Bridget Christie)


What a peculiar, spiteful and cowardly thing to say.

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zooo

  • Monday 14th May 2012, 11:47am
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Why should she change her name? Weird.

I still haven't seen this! Must give it a go.