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If only you guys were as critical of the people in actual power, whose decisions effect ordinary people every single day.

They tell the lies their voters want to hear - so, of course they don't question it.

You are wrong. We do question it. We see what you see
They have no opposition so have free reign to do what they like.
I would love Labour to be a force again but sadly they are falling away further and further.
It's all very well appealing to minorities - even laudable, but minorities do not get you into government.
It's a numbers game and always was.
How many millions of Labour supporters defected to the Tories? And why?

The next general election is in 2024 but Boris could call one any time and at the moment he would probably gain even more seats.
Labour may actually be dying at the root and never see power again
There are smaller parties that are gaining traction in the wings.

The Conservatives are no oil painting with many many flaws but Labour are a joke.
There are literally millions of floating voters that would come back if only they transformed into the old Labour.
New Labour is not a party the masses want.

You're right (in some regards).
Labour is in a mess - Brexit f**ked them over - as I fear it was probably designed to.
You're also right that there are smaller parties waiting in the wings - and one of the main thing that unites them is they are anti 'first-past-the-post'.
Labour (the reasonable ones) need to get behind this - instead of fantasizing about a Socialist Revolution.
A progressive alliance is what's needed -a Centre-Left position that sensible people can rally round.
I fear it will need a Labour split first - not sure Keir has the balls for that though.

Of course we had a Labour split back in 1981. That didn't last long.

The problem is that there is already a party with a centre-left position. And they are currently in power. And there is another party with a centre-left position, who invariably rank third in polls and elections.

If you're looking for a smaller party waiting in the wings, there's the Greens. With their centre-left policies.

Four parties. One agenda.

Quote: Billy Bunter @ 4th October 2021, 11:48 AM

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The problem is that there is already a party with a centre-left position. And they are currently in power..

Wow.

Quote: Billy Bunter @ 4th October 2021, 11:48 AM

The problem is that there is already a party with a centre-left position. And they are currently in power.

I'm guessing you're largely basing this on some of the Tories Covid policies, namely furlough and the recent tax hikes announced. How do you think a true centre-right party should have dealt with Covid?

Johnson, Gove, Patel, Sunak, Truss, Raab, Javid, Rees-Mogg.
A line up like that and Labour can't make any headway?
The unholy trinity of Blair, Campbell, and Mandelson would have eaten them alive as opposition. They were foul and contemptible, but at least they were organised. For good (and very ill).

Party politics is cyclical

I remember top politicians in the late nineties/early noughties actually coming out and saying that the Tory party is dying and may even cease to exist in a few short years

This was after/during 3 labour landslides

Labour is a shambles right now- but it will recover

Quote: lofthouse @ 4th October 2021, 6:04 PM

Labour is a shambles right now

Does that mean Babyshambles is the new Red wedge ?

Aw - Facebook is down because of all the allegations.

The information is coming to me slowly and it needs to be verified.

But my sources are saying Nick Clegg may well have already defected to Turkmenistan.

What? Rich and wealthy millionaires are a bit dodgy and greedy??

Well who da thunk it

Quote: lofthouse @ 4th October 2021, 8:58 PM

What? Rich and wealthy millionaires are a bit dodgy and greedy??

Well who da thunk it

It's a pandora's box. *sniff*

Maybe we'll find out how the Kardashians have got away with it all this time. Now theres a conspiracy theory. If we ever find out, time and space will collapse.

Quote: A Horseradish @ 4th October 2021, 8:53 PM

Aw - Facebook is down because of all the allegations.

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I thought it was just me.

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