I read the news today oh boy! Page 2,038

Quote: Stephen Goodlad @ 10th May 2019, 3:12 PM

Qualifications to be a pro footballer definitely does not include - must be intelligent or world wisely.
I think you might be surprised how little the yoof of today know about history.
Or for that matter any general knowledge subject.
It is quite feasible to me that he had no idea about the German Nazis.

You are quite right. It does surprise me actually when I see it sometimes even on programmes like Pointless . I can't understand it when compared with the 1970s we live in an information age, there is saturation media and 50% go to university. My roots were a bit odd. I was used to being somewhere near the brightest at the local primary school but when I got a free council pass to an independent school I genuinely thought there had been a mistake. In my first two years there, I came 120th out of 120 and there was almost a sort of breakdown at 12 in that process.

From then onwards - even onto university and beyond - my feeling was that almost everyone knew more than I did and it often seemed that way, given their obvious (generally more middle class) confidence. It irritated me but all these years later when I hear the limitations of many so often, it is almost as if my sense of security has been removed. In a weird sort of way, I felt safer when feeling inferior although at the time it didn't seem like that. Even one of my harshest critics - and I do mean harsh - said recently that she thought I would be shocked by what a lot of people don't know.

Has anyone any news of Sergei and Yulia Skripal or were they just figments of Boris Johnson's imagination?

Quote: A Horseradish @ 10th May 2019, 4:39 PM

Has anyone any news of Sergei and Yulia Skripal ?

They're all aglow.

Danny Baker's tweet is now the subject of an investigation by the Metropolitan Police.

I've seen several films and read several books about dystopian societies but I've never imagined for a single moment that I'd ever find myself living in one.

It looks as if 21st-century British comedy is going to comprise black comedians telling hilarious jokes about white people, gay comedians telling hilarious jokes about straight people, female comedians telling hilarious jokes about male people, transgender comedians telling hilarious jokes about people who've never had anything chopped off or stitched on, and white male comedians daring to go no further than asking audiences why the chicken crossed the road.

It's a sad, sad, sad, sad world.

Drama queen!

Quote: beaky @ 10th May 2019, 9:43 PM

Drama queen!

That's what they called Noah, and also the woman who phoned in to tell Michael Fish about the hurricane!

Quote: Rood Eye @ 10th May 2019, 9:10 PM

Danny Baker's tweet is now the subject of an investigation by the Metropolitan Police.

I've seen several films and read several books about dystopian societies but I've never imagined for a single moment that I'd ever find myself living in one.

It looks as if 21st-century British comedy is going to comprise black comedians telling hilarious jokes about white people, gay comedians telling hilarious jokes about straight people, female comedians telling hilarious jokes about male people, transgender comedians telling hilarious jokes about people who've never had anything chopped off or stitched on, and white male comedians daring to go no further than asking audiences why the chicken crossed the road.

It's a sad, sad, sad, sad world.

Further,

1. Simon Armitage is to be the new Poet Laureate. He was allegedly second choice and the panel questioned seriously whether it was right that the post should go to a man who was white. He appears to have been given the go ahead only on the grounds that he tackles diversity issues and climate change.

2. Eddie Mair, interestingly and surprisingly, addressed today on LBC the Lib Dems "Bollocks to Brexit" campaign from the point of view of whether a coarsening of the language in politics was helpful and whether there should be more swear words permitted in news and politics radio. He had Times Literary Supplement types and similar on, liberal, to give their opinions. What they came with was an agenda for a greater relaxation so that words like "bollocks" should be permitted but anything in their view worse than a 7 out of 10 in offensiveness should not be. This discussion absolutely tied in with points I was raising on this very forum earlier this week.

What struck me was the sheer arrogance and dictatorial nature of these people. First, they have a view on what words should be let on and no longer considered offensive. Next, they have a list of words which they have determined would be going too far. Not a word - not ONE single word from them - on what their perceptions of the extremely wide range of other people's viewpoints are - it was ALL about them - although Mair himself to be fair did ask members of the public to call in. But for what purpose? The aforementioned so-called experts would no doubt be of the view that those who objected to any relaxation were stupid and those who wanted more relaxation than they wanted equally stupid. Little HItlers all. The 21st Century has become Orwellian and who would have possibly guessed in, say, 1990 which part of the political spectrum would have been to blame? I wouldn't.

I am so fed up with this reductionism in politics and the mainstream media that I have tonight written to my local Lib Dem association specifically asking them not to post their leaflet through my letterbox. I have explained that in a mainstream political context I find the title offensive, it debases political debate and it could even possibly incite some ordinary members of the public. I have asked for a reply. It would be quite good if as many people as possible did the same, ie those who think that while the fringe is one thing (and my own position is that there can be considerably more leeway in comedy, the arts and even to be honest our "precious" sports) but the mainstream should be something else. I have also been fact checking. It transpires that the Royal Mail bans the posting in the mail of quote "filth" in which it includes offensive articles so with a bit of luck they are going to have to do it the hard way and walk them round to every house in the country or at least the ones which will have them.

Danny's Baker's departure from the BBC means, of course, that they and we have lost a presenter of spectacular talent.

There is however another problem in terms of loss to the nation: if the BBC's entire stable of presenters were divided into groups based upon race, nationality, gender and social class, the scarcity of white, English, working-class, male presenters working for the diversity-conscious corporation might surprise you.

The reason is almost certainly that the posh folk running the BBC although preferring similarly posh folk above all others nevertheless see "minority" types as quaint and amusing (as well as being the politically correct choice of employee, of course) whereas they see white, English, working-class men as the scum of the earth.

It will be interesting to see who replaces Danny: I'll be amazed if it's another common-as-muck, totally uneducated London lad with absolutely nothing to offer but a wonderful talent for comedy and broadcasting.

Quote: A Horseradish @ 10th May 2019, 10:55 PM

Further,

1. Simon Armitage is to be the new Poet Laureate. He was allegedly second choice and the panel questioned seriously whether it was right that the post should go to a man who was white. He appears to have been given the go ahead only on the grounds that he tackles diversity issues and climate change.

Without doubt the most boring person I have ever seen or heard. They featured him at the high school I used to work at - talk about a cure for insomnia or a voice to commit suicide to.

Quote: Rood Eye @ 10th May 2019, 11:37 PM

Danny's Baker's departure from the BBC means, of course, that they and we have lost a presenter of spectacular talent.

There is however another problem in terms of loss to the nation: if the BBC's entire stable of presenters were divided into groups based upon race, nationality, gender and social class, the scarcity of white, English, working-class, male presenters working for the diversity-conscious corporation might surprise you.

The reason is almost certainly that the posh folk running the BBC although preferring other posh folk above all others nevertheless see "minority" types as quaint and amusing (as well as being the politically correct choice of employee, of course) whereas they see white, English, working-class men as the scum of the earth.

I think you are right.

I identify two strands underpinning this:

1. There was a time when white male working class upward mobility was welcomed on the basis of intelligence. Galton and Simpson, John Sullivan - these sorts of writers followed on from novel writers like Barstow and Sillitoe, all wonderful in my opinion, and then you had the likes of Baker and Kelly and Elms and Ross as front men : not all quite my types of broadcaster tbh although I like Kelly and Elms isn't too bad who were there, among other things, as they had an exceptional range of interests so as to be interesting to other people as well as drive. You could call it all a bit "grammar school" although most of these did not go to a grammar school. Often posh types to their credit backed them.

That all went and to the extent that they have been replaced, the emphasis is on money/bling and an aw-gawd-blimey caricature. It is not that the people I have listed are without money. Far from it but it isn't the emphasis. Now you get Harry Redknapp, Lord Sugar, and a couple of others. Vinnie Jones. Good at what they have done which in many ways is accumulating wealth. None are fools. But they are stereotypes to be laughed at or laughed with where people say "oh well, if they are millionaires good luck to them". What they aren't is highly individual or artistic/inventive/rangy. For that now speaks too much of brain power and is almost an intellectual class threat to the moneyed establishment.

2. The dominant narrative from almost every group other than older white males is that white males were the ones who were all powerful in history and everyone else was oppressed because of them. It is totally warped because actually the vast majority of working class white males and even what we would call middle class males today were manual workers in the most atrocious working and housing environments long into the 20th Century, that is, when they weren't killed off fighting wars. Far from being all dominant and powerful, they were effectively slaves and other than perhaps for the period 1945-1979 that was how they were destined to be forever more. I say "they". I mean "we" of course. You will get many liberal white media men vehemently disagreeing but they are among the new wealth barons of the current age.

Beautifully put.

Quote: beaky @ 11th May 2019, 12:40 AM

Beautifully put.

Thank you beaky.

That's kind of you.

The Essex accent has been voted the sexiest in the UK

A think thaz wrong theea fowk, a wor a reyt fanny rat me tha noz.
A wo nokin em off wi a shitty stick

In a recent edition of "Newsnight", Henry Bonsu (a black presenter who has worked at the BBC alongside Danny Baker) was busy condemning Danny's recent tweet when he said "His explanation is as implausible as that given by Roseanne Barr when she tweeted a picture of Valerie Jarrett, Obama's former adviser, next to a picture of Planet of the Apes".

I'm sure a great many viewers nodded sagely upon hearing his words and I'm sure several BCG members will nod sagely when they read those words quoted in the preceding paragraph.

But, wait a minute! Has Roseanne Barr ever tweeted a picture of Valerie Jarrett? Has she ever tweeted a picture of "Planet of the Apes"?

I think Henry Bonsu might be well-advised to check his facts before spouting off on national television, or indeed anywhere else.

I do like that sometimes dipping into threads on the BCG nowadays is like wandering around in a scene from Downfall, in which ageing right wingers try to come to terms with the fact that the world they know is dead or dying. That's not a dig, it's actually quite poignant at times.

Quote: Definitely Tarby @ 10th May 2019, 12:08 PM

But he says he wasn't making that comparison and I believe him. It's everyone else that comes to that conclusion that makes it a problem.

You know what, I believe him too. I've haven't listened to him for a long time (football's of no interest to me) but he's a very talented broadcaster. That's kind of irrelevant. The point is big companies and corporations are hyper-protective of their brand and will get shot of people at the drop of a hat if they feel they damage that brand. Ironically, that's more to do with hard headed commercialism and a desire not to alienate a section of your customer base than some politically-correct dystopia ruled by a jackbooted liberal metropolitan elite whose thought police take out and shoot anybody in the back of the head who doesn't think like they do.