Headcases starts on ITV1 on Sunday 6th April (some people might recognise this show under its working-title: CGI Britain)
There's a preview clip of it here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article962586.ece
I'm not so sure about it - seems a bit forced?!?
I don't like CGI. That is all.
Good news for Gavin, at least it's possible to get a CGI show commissioned.
Quote: Aaron @ March 27, 2008, 1:46 PMI don't like CGI. That is all.
Toys? Toy Story?
Quote: Aaron @ March 27, 2008, 4:00 PMToys? Toy Story?
Bring back 2DTV, that's what I say. In fact, while they're at it, bring back Spitting Image.
EDIT: The animation style is ugly and distracting; I can't think how they will get any visual gags with it. Also the lip-sync is way out, though this could just be a Flash Video error.
I saw a show very similar to this before but with Irish politicians, maybe done by the same people. Anyway the animation annoyed me so much I had to stop watching. CGI can be great, but only when done to a very high quality, this just looks bad I'm afraid.
Bussell your avatar is making me ask myself very confusing question.
Personally I loved that little clip and anothe Posh and David collection of ssketches is just what telly needs...urgggh Kill me.
Quote: David Bussell @ March 27, 2008, 4:49 PMNo, the Robin Williams movie of course!
PS. I meant Toy Story.

Quote: Aaron @ March 27, 2008, 8:02 PM
And no, I found Toy Story quite depressing actually. Not because it was CGI, just because it was shit.
Toy Story is a masterpiece of film making.
I like Toy Story 2 because it has Andy Peters in it.

Masterpiece of shit.
I liked Toy Story. And The Incredibles.
I don't really care for any of the other CGI movies, except Finding Nemo. But Toy Story is fantastic, maybe it's nostalgia but I love it.
I wish they'd stop with all of the CGI rubbish and do a proper cartoon again.
It's all about stop motion!
Quote: Aaron @ March 27, 2008, 10:12 PMI wish they'd stop with all of the CGI rubbish and do a proper cartoon again.
Quote: Morg Man @ March 27, 2008, 10:12 PMIt's all about stop motion!
Toy Story is awesome.
Headcases, meh, not my thing. They'll sell a lot of video ringtones off it though so it'll get recommissioned for ever and ever. I wish they'd just spent the money on creating an original series though.
Here's an article about this series with more info: The Times
It's interesting to hear that the law says no one is allowed to make jokes about Boris Johnson at the moment - I was wondering why people had gone quiet on him.
Quote: Morg Man @ March 27, 2008, 5:29 PMBring back 2DTV, that's what I say. In fact, while they're at it, bring back Spitting Image.
EDIT: The animation style is ugly and distracting; I can't think how they will get any visual gags with it.
Good spot Mark, thanks for the link.
The article makes that show sound great. Another ITV success ? What's going on ?!
(Certainly looks better than the last topical comedy show I watched on ITV, Ben Elton's Get A Grip...!)
Dammit! Now I have to make a U-Turn! That article does make the show sound great. Hopefully the Posh and Becks characters just wont be in it very much as that original clip was still annoying.
This looks so shit.

(Agreed.)
I wonder how much more advanced Animatronics would be today, if C.G.I. had never been invented.
Oh, good thought.
The effects in American Werewolf in London will ALWAYS be scarier and more effective than any CGI could ever be. Even in 50 years' time.
Maybe there will be a return to animatronics. Or maybe there already is?
The worst C.G.I. I've ever seen, was in that Incredible Hulk film, a few years back. Actually, a bloke who went to my school worked as a computer animator, on that film.
The reason i think they are scarier is because they are real. If you look at old horror things it was always glimpses and you were left to fill in the rest with your head.
As for the "Hulk" film I really liked that.
CGI is good, real life is better.
I'm looking forward to this a lot. It seems to be very like (in its look anyway) a BBC Northern Ireland TV and radio show called The Folks on the Hill. That's been running in NI for a good few years now.
TFOTH is a satirical show lampooning NI politics so Headcases seems to be the same thing only widening the remit to include politics and sleb culture.
I wonder if anybody knows whether any of the "Folks" production team is involved in Headcases?
Just watched, was alright laughed a few times. But its made me seriously think about 3D as the style for my comedy.
Crushing Pierce Morgan was brilliant.
I've just been watching it.....I didn't care for it.
The voices were out of sync with the mouths, the CGI was generally rubbish and most importantly it wasn't funny at all. Just about the most irritating thing I've had to sit through.
Congratulations ITV, you've failed once again to deliver some decent television.
And like most comedy satire/impressionist shows, it had far too many political sections. The likes of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have already been impersonated to death by Culshaw and Bremner.
I thought some of it was pretty good - particularly the Madonna sketch at the end. Other bits were a bit predictable, but fun none the less.
I'd preferred to have seen the sketches recorded in the 2DTV style of animation though (or using Spitting Image puppets!). The CGI was a bit 'cold'. Still it might grow on me - I like how they lit the Gordon Brown scenes.
I didnt think it was cold as such but the, anticipation and release wasn't there it wasn't animated enough for my view, but looking at the amount of characters in the half hour some were better then others Gordon Brown holding the smiling mask was a touch of class.
Perhaps, as a loather of CGI and celeb culture on equal levels, I had particularly low expectations, but I actually rather enjoyed it. First half had me giggling most of the way through. Mugabe was brilliant, as was the Brown/Darling sequence. Some very sly references too, which as a politics junkie I found quite rewarding. Didn't think much of Madonna, although she does indeed look like a man. Beckhams were tripe, as were most of the voices. Didn't really 'get' the Dames sketch though. Thought it was just weird. Oh, and Cameron, Harry & William were pretty good too. It'll be interesting to see how the show progresses.
TBH I wasn't expecting much from the trailers and tuned in late. But I thought it got better as it went on. I too thought the Mugabe and Madonna sketches were great in very different ways.
I only saw the Madonna bit. It was quite scary. Just the way she scuttled towards the camera in that funny way. Yikes.
I thought it was pretty good.
I'm with catskillz I thought it was alright.
One or two howlers but also one or two lol moments.
Also what's wrong with the CGI? Thought it was ok - must've taken quite a long time to model all the details for every scene.
The Madonna sketch was a little bit too gross though.
I rather liked the show. The political sketches were good (did anyone else have flashbacks of Dad's Army and Blackadder Goes Forth when Brown and Darling were on), I quite enjoyed the hen-pecked David Beckham and I also liked the Piers Morgan sketch. Mind you, who wouldn't enjoy an piano being dropped on top of Piers Moron.
I thought it was truly abysmal in every way but each to their own.
Mugabe was inspired. Heather Mills was insipid.
Lots of kinks to iron out but in the main this was a decent programme which, along with Benidorm and Harry Hill, made it a surprisngly good weekend for ITV.
I felt disappointed with this first episode - it wasn't in any way Spitting Image. No surprises and no major risk taking. It felt really tame and safe with only a few small laughs.
The CGI doesn't help because it isn't warm enough and most of the impressions/ characterisations were poor. A few times I wondered whether Jon Culshaw had bothered to disguise his natural voice at all. It's not Spitting Image or 2DTV - YET..... However, I'm not going to write it off as it can and hopefully will come good.
Quote: catskillz @ April 5 2008, 4:40 PM BSTThe worst C.G.I. I've ever seen, was in that Incredible Hulk film, a few years back.
Quote: Perry Nium @ April 7 2008, 12:08 PM BSTYou obviously haven't seen this advert. Now THAT'S bad CGI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YozMDzOAGxk
I found it pretty average stuff. Not terrible, but no great either. It seemed to be a much more expensive version of 2DT, with no discernable advantages over that show. That said, it was nice to have comedy back on ITV on Sunday nights. When I was growing up it was a well developed slot with Spitting Image, The New Statesman and Hale and Pace going out at that time. Fair play to them for trying to bring it back.
Just bring back spitting image or 2DTV.
Headcases was just complete crap IMO.
According to The Guardian, the show attracted 4 million viewers (19% of the audience) at the start, makingit the most watched programme at for the first quarter-hour. However, the second half was beaten by the BBC One news.
I was so disappointed that I felt moved to spend my morning finding places to comment about Headcases. Anything to avoid starting work!
Hm. I agree. Forced.
I'd also say that it's not particulary satirical. Nowhere near as clever or incisive - or as silly - as Spitting Image but then ITV were probably asking for trouble billing Headcases as the new Spitting Image!
When I think what UK comedy writers can achieve, Green Wing and League of Gentlemen to name just two, this just doesn't measure up.
Another thing: Spitting Image characters were endearing and accurate despite being ugly and extreme. I find Headcases' characters unpleasantly creepy. Can't put my finger on it but... yuk.
Finally. In a world of instant communications I expected topicality, a series full of this week's issues. Spitting Image episodes were written the week before release, so the content was always bang up to the minute.
I don't like to be harsh but Headcases is just ordinary. I found something recently, while hunting around for funny CG stuff online, that is much more deserving of the Spitting Image mantle. I'm probably not supposed to put links in here so I'll just say that I reckon ITV has missed a trick. If they'd come across World Leaders first, they'd probably have commissioned a series from these people instead of commissioning Headcases.
I can't think about Putin, Brown, Bush, Sarkozy, Merkel etc without giggling these days. Try world-leaders.com!
Welcome to the site. 
Quote: Kate Naylor @ April 8 2008, 1:28 PM BSTAnother thing: Spitting Image characters were endearing and accurate despite being ugly and extreme. I find Headcases' characters unpleasantly creepy. Can't put my finger on it but... yuk.
Quote: Kate Naylor @ April 8 2008, 1:28 PM BSTI'm probably not supposed to put links in here so I'll just say that I reckon ITV has missed a trick.
Quote: Kate Naylor @ April 8 2008, 1:28 PM BSTI found something recently, while hunting around for funny CG stuff online, that is much more deserving of the Spitting Image mantle ... If they'd come across World Leaders first, they'd probably have commissioned a series from these people instead of commissioning Headcases.

Kim Fuller, eh? Not a bad writer behind them then. And good detective work Bomber!
For my first bash, here's my analysis of Headcases:
First:Comedy means having a funny script. This lacked one.
Two: CGI is sexless and poor unless you have the budgets of Shrek and Toy Story, with the wind moving individual leaves; hair, shadows responding etc. But if the script was funny, you could have overlooked this. These days all comedy scripts seem to be naff. Just tune in to anything on Radio 4 at 18.30. There also seem to be too many writers. After all Harry Corbett got a laugh with his hand stuck up a bear's bum. All right, it was a long time ago.
Three: the charm of SPITTING IMAGE was that it the set was real and your eyes could look around ( all right for Gordon Brown, your eye) and see the naff curtains, the tablecloths, the plates, the shading of the eye makeup on the Queen, Ian Paisley, whoever. There was charm in the puppets and in the sets. There is none in Headcases. The backgrounds were devoid of anything- there was nothing to please or interest the eye.
Having said that, I want it to succeed. It has to be a barb in the establishment, and it's choosing easy targets- the Peter Andres,Beckhams etc. These are not the concerns of the target audience
who are ABC1, not CDE. They should be the scumbag politicians, at home and abroad, industrialists, international figures.
The Sootyj perspective.
Head cases was ok, animation was alright. But let's be honest it was no Spitting Image.
Voices nicely done, and good characterisation (especially on Princes, and Cameron)
Lots of good jokes, and nothing overlong. Only Beckham, and the Dames notably dated, and poor.
But it was deeply unadventurous, and extremely safe, and dull. Check out Nick Cohen's excellent article in last Observer.
For a show that had state of the art CGI, some of the best writers, and impressionists in the country, and a very big budget. It was deeply profoundly unmemorable, and average. Funny yes, but beyond the Gordon Brown internet gag, nothing I'd repeat.
Satire should be challenging, and exciting. This was definitely an unloved cousin of 2D TV, and Spitting Image.
Quote: sootyj @ April 8 2008, 10:54 PM BSTVoices nicely done...
Here's a thought- what makes FONEJACKER so good- most of the time- is the range of voices- PLUS the naff contra-pictures/ cut out Terry Gilliam animations- with sound effects.The Indian autocue with squeaks- They're one half of the whole package.
I'm sure many zlotys cheaper than CGI- AND they are done in less than half the time-.One of the most irritating things about computers is the rendering time sitting over the shoulder of a mouse pusher whiel he does a not so good flash, or harry or flame or paintbox or whatever.
So as an idea
it'll save money AND be better)ditch the CGI it's not doing anything.
Use Novak's BARDZO DOBRY cut out system. It rocks.
I only saw the first bit on their site (Couldn't get the second half to work), but I kinda agree with what's been said. The CG disappointed me, as a cgi 'trainee' I was expecting slightly better and felt the models were a bit too different in style for my liking. Didn't really notice much bad with the voices, but then I was looking more at the visuals.
Quite liked the character of Brown as Scrooge, but wasn't so keen on the celb stuff. (though I rarely am). Ultimetly it didn't seem as good as I remember 2dTV being, and didn't seem to have much of an edge to it.
(From what I can make out from their behind the scenes vids it looks like all the episodes have been made & finished all ready. Isn't the point of this that it's largely made very near the time?)
Quote: Hennell @ April 9 2008, 11:35 PM BSTFrom what I can make out from their behind the scenes vids it looks like all the episodes have been made & finished all ready. Isn't the point of this that it's largely made very near the time?
Well I thought things could be turned around quicker, but I guess to do it 'well' probably does take a while. (I figured once modelled and rigged, things could be done very fast indeed. However sets and lighting do take their time, and I have no idea how they're doing the lip-sync)
I suppose 6 minutes is a sensible amount, obviously shows want to make sure they'll have something that's good. I suppose not really caring for celebrities 'goss', I'd have no idea there if they're very up to date with their jibes or just more very 'zeitgeist-y' made several months ago.
The biggest time consumer is the actual rendering, I believe. Creating the animation, writing etc, is relatively easy when you've got everything set up properly - but the rendering is the real bitch.
Of course, I stayed away from my course's animation class like the plague, so don't quote me on that. 
correct Aaron go get your self a biscuit.
Woo hoo! 
BTW is anybody watching the reruns of spitting image on paramount 2 tuesday nights.
It's nice to remember just how good satire was 20+ years ago.
Quote: Cosmo Smallpiece @ April 9 2008, 8:33 PM BSTHere's a thought- what makes FONEJACKER so good- most of the time- is the range of voices- PLUS the naff contra-pictures/ cut out Terry Gilliam animations- with sound effects.The Indian autocue with squeaks- They're one half of the whole package.
I'm sure many zlotys cheaper than CGI- AND they are done in less than half the time-.One of the most irritating things about computers is the rendering time sitting over the shoulder of a mouse pusher whiel he does a not so good flash, or harry or flame or paintbox or whatever.
So as an ideait'll save money AND be better)ditch the CGI it's not doing anything.
Use Novak's BARDZO DOBRY cut out system. It rocks.
Fonejacker makes me cringe, and laugh a bit too. :-/
I enjoyed Headcases. It did make me giggle in bits.
the episode tonight, was the first i'd seen, but personally it felt very ... obvious. oh look heather mills is a bit mad, married an older man and tried to his money, oh look bruce willis, and harrison ford are older than they once were, oh look victoria beckham wants to be famous, isn't that funny. No clever way of portraying the same messages. It felt as though it was leaning too much on the animation rather than the writing.
That said (and I certainly seem to have enjoyed it more than everyone else here!) the Heather Mills as Medusa caricature is brilliant! They wouldn't have been able to do the snakes without the CGI so it wouldn't have worked on 'old' Spitting Image.
Dan
I dunno about that. A bit of fishing wire and a couple of people above the set pulling them randomly would have much the same effect.
I thought this one was really good, I'm warming to this show a lot.
As good as Spitting Image imo, though maybe not quite as brave.
I thought Sundays was quite shit.
The first epy made me giggle. I was very disapointed. 
I still like it, some of it is lazy comedy... like the licking poo sketch (too childish to be funny) and the poor voice acting (Heather Mills doesn't sound like that)... but other bits are inspired (a West Country Mugabe).
I also have to applaud ITV for not dumbing down too much - I wasn't expecting to find any politicians in this series, just stuff from Heat magazine.
I thought it was quite weak, which is a shame as the animation is quite good.
But the drawings are creepy.
Quote: Mark @ April 15 2008, 1:57 AM BSTI still like it, some of it is lazy comedy... like the licking poo sketch (too childish to be funny) and the poor voice acting (Heather Mills doesn't sound like that)...
That really wasn't Spitting Image for the naughties. The caricatures look pretty good (some more accurate than others, but a generally good standard for a British CGI comedy), but they're fairly crudely animated on a professional level - the way their mouths flap and morph looks completely unnatural, sometimes even going out of sync with the voices! The writing is unoriginal, mainly centered around glossy-mag celebrities and tabloid politics.
This week's high point was the the race between Amy Winehouse and Pete Doherty, just because the caricatures were so funny - especially Pete's pinball pupils, the low point was the street-talking Helen Mirren and Judy Dench thing. Not only was it an unfunny premise, it DIDN'T PERTAIN TO ANYTHING. It's like doing a sketch about climbing everest with Robert De Nero but talking with a Monty Python french accent. What the f**k?
I suppose it was a bit like Beryl Reid/Queen Mother.
And why make such a big thing about Pierced Organ? He is only important in his own mind.
Yes - some of it is funny - but not really such a good ratio as Spitting Image - and what was the other one in between?
Quote: David Chapman @ April 21 2008, 9:53 PM BSTI suppose it was a bit like Beryl Reid/Queen Mother.
And why make such a big thing about Pierced Organ? He is only important in his own mind.
Yes - some of it is funny - but not really such a good ratio as Spitting Image - and what was the other one in between?
I really really enjoyed this week's episode. Some of the caricatures looked really good. Spot on. Voices, as ever, were dodgy. And there's no warmth to CGI. But, above all, it made me laugh. A lot.
I must admit that headcases has actually grown on me.
The first week I said it was complete crap but thankfully I've been proven wrong.
I don't like the Mirren/Dench/Winslet sketches though.
But all In all it's pretty good.
Though it'll never be as good as Spitting Image was.
Quote: Richard Wells @ April 28 2008, 12:09 AM BSTI don't like the Mirren/Dench/Winslet sketches though.
I did miss my fix of old mugabe though.
Yes, I really loved those ones. Particularly the first, back in episode one. I laughed. A lot.
does anyone know if they are taking outside contributions at all?
gave 2dtv a bash and wouldn't mind a go at this one too.
As far as I'm aware, no, they're not. I'd hazard a guess that, due to the production's nature, there's only a limited amount of stuff that they can do, so will keep it in-house.
And pleeeeease use capitals!
Quote: Perry Nium @ April 7 2008, 12:08 PM BSTYou obviously haven't seen this advert. Now THAT'S bad CGI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YozMDzOAGxk
Quote: Aaron @ May 1 2008, 11:56 PM BSTAs far as I'm aware, no, they're not. I'd hazard a guess that, due to the production's nature, there's only a limited amount of stuff that they can do, so will keep it in-house.
And pleeeeease use capitals!
It's in the rules.
the rules?! blimey. you have rules on presentation on a forum?
you'll be banning me for misuse of a semi-colon next.
Yes. And don't think I'm not serious.
Please see point 9 in particular:
http://www.sitcom.co.uk/info/terms_of_use.shtml#BoardRules
And it's a message board, not a forum.
The Stop Kate Middleton! Now! sketches are hilarious, have me in laughing fits. Also loving Al-Fayed's conspiracy theories show. 
Anything with Prince Phil gets my vote but those sketchs are brilliant.
Killing Piers Morgan was amusing in episode one. Now it's just tired. Taking the piss out of Amy Winehouse is always welcomed, but they could take a reasonable attempt at making it funny.
I watched the frist episode of this and found it very unfunny!
I think some parts are funny but it's not consistent with being funny.
And I still hate the Mirren, Dench and Winslet sketches.